Submitted by jaydecay123 t3_zrq12j in Connecticut
jay_sugman t1_j1mom8d wrote
Reply to comment by SomaCityWard in Westport elementary students sickened after ingesting THC-laced candy on school bus by jaydecay123
>That you think this makes it less bad in any way is disturbing.
I had indicated that they are different and did not qualify one over the other. Instead of dismissing me, why not ask an honest question.
Also I appreciate your effort to provide sources but your mixing different things. Most dangerous state is measured in your stat with violent crime overall not gun deaths. Also, your stat on gang deaths was for all shooting deaths and not for the age group we were discussing which seems relevant. It's important to make these distinctions to understand root causes and addressing them. I was responding to the original comment that a mother in Westport should be more worried about gun deaths and that simply isn't true statistically.
> NEWTOWN is not suburban? The site of one of the worst mass shootings in US history?.
This statement is confusing. I know Sandy Hook was local. It's where I grew up, the school went to a million years ago and where friends had kids the day of the shooting (none fortunately who lost their lives). The horror of that event does not change rarity and I didn't say shootings in rural areas didn't exist.
This NYT article generally backs up my assertions. Most children shooting deaths are 17-19 year olds. More than 5x than 1-9 year olds. City rates are much higher. Minority deaths are much higher 8x for black boys. (The article specifically mentions it doesn't have the data for associating the deaths with gangs. ) once again, none of this mean it's not an important social issue. It's just isn't a direct concern for a white mother in Westport for a elementary school age kid. It is though for a urban, poor minority mother. I think scaring the Westport mom does a disservice to the poor urban folks dealing with this. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/12/14/magazine/gun-violence-children-data-statistics.html
SomaCityWard t1_j1t3fqf wrote
>did not qualify one over the other.
Oh, of course, you weren't suggesting that a higher murder rate is a bad thing, silly me! Why not be honest with me?
>Most dangerous state is measured in your stat with violent crime overall not gun deaths. Also, your stat on gang deaths was for all shooting deaths and not for the age group we were discussing which seems relevant.
Ah, look who's a stickler for hyper specific stats all of the sudden, while still presenting ZERO of your own.
So you think teens have a higher rate of gang involvement than adults? That would be the only way that distinction would make a difference. And yet, you still have offered zero evidence to suggest they somehow reverse that statistic. I'm waiting...
You said "murder rates in big cities", not gun violence. You're clearly speaking broadly about violence in general, but keep trying to weasel out of it.
jay_sugman t1_j1uv807 wrote
I can see your only motivation is to "win" and not have a conversation. I'm not interested. Good luck.
SomaCityWard t1_j1vmp6y wrote
You were never operating in good faith.
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