AhbabaOooMaoMao t1_j91p83x wrote on February 18, 2023 at 3:47 PM

Reply to comment by ZebraRaptor in here's a question regarding gun control by AdHistorical7107

If someone steals your gun because you failed to keep it secure, you should be charged as complicit. The state, lol? Have you heard of sovereign immunity?

In your backwards fantasy land of unfounded fear, you think criminals are going to go to a map of who has a gun permit and who does not, and they're going to....target the houses of people who probably have a gun?

I think between First Amendment and FOIA, if the state is issuing permits, there is no valid FOIA exception or exemption that should preclude release of permit information publicly.

Bowditch357 t1_j921bgt wrote on February 18, 2023 at 5:11 PM

I like how this individual is responding to you with a constructive argument and you just keep lashing out when they won’t agree with you.

“In your backwards fantasy land of unfounded fear..” You’re talking about yourself with this quote correct? Like please tell me you can see the irony here. Considering you’re the one who wants there to be a list of law abiding citizens, over law abiding actions, it’s safe to say you’re the one living in a world of make believe fear.

“If someone steals your gun because you didn’t keep it secure, you should be charged as an accomplice”. Lucky for us, the vast majority of gun owners, at least the ones I know, have a gun safe. So just because I have a gun safe, I should suddenly be okay with my home being broken into? I’ve yet to find a gun safe big enough to fit a house in….

And one last point, if firearms being stolen from legal owners wasn’t an issue, we wouldn’t have laws that require us to report stolen guns within a certain amount of time. But we do have those laws, because believe it or not, it happens more often then you’d think.

AhbabaOooMaoMao t1_j929eey wrote on February 18, 2023 at 6:06 PM

>And one last point, if firearms being stolen from legal owners wasn’t an issue, we wouldn’t have laws that require us to report stolen guns within a certain amount of time. But we do have those laws, because believe it or not, it happens more often then you’d think.

Happens all the time. If we had actual responsible gun owners, it wouldn't. That's why I support strict liability for casualties caused by guns, liability that runs with the gun. Bet nobody would let them get stolen then! You want guns? Cool. I want you to be financially responsible for damage caused by your guns.

The unfounded fear is that people would break into houses because they know the owner has a gun. In reality, the exact opposite would be true.

ZebraRaptor t1_j9218lb wrote on February 18, 2023 at 5:10 PM

You can only keep your guns so secure. Short of anchoring a safe into concrete it wouldn’t be that difficult for a determined criminal to get into a safe. Or just take the safe with them. Ever seen the videos of thieves stealing atms?

Clearly your mind will never change but you’re advocating for a very dangerous idea and I urge you greatly to reconsider.

Why would the average citizen need to care what house has guns? Just to be nosy? Like I said, police and government already know which people have registered firearms. There is zero reason for a database for the public. If you can give me one solid argument as to why they should have access, please do.