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filosoful OP t1_je8xwav wrote

The European Parliament has reached a provisional agreement with the EU Council regarding charging and hydrogen refueling stations across Europe.

The rule states that by 2026, there will be charging stations at every 60 kilometers along the TEN-T network.

For those who don't know, the TEN-T is the EU's ambitious transport network project that includes highways, roads, ports and trains, connecting all parts of the Old Continent.

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FuturologyBot t1_je8zwmu wrote

The following submission statement was provided by /u/filosoful:

The European Parliament has reached a provisional agreement with the EU Council regarding charging and hydrogen refueling stations across Europe.

The rule states that by 2026, there will be charging stations at every 60 kilometers along the TEN-T network.

For those who don't know, the TEN-T is the EU's ambitious transport network project that includes highways, roads, ports and trains, connecting all parts of the Old Continent.

Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/126fvwf/the_eu_parliament_and_council_agree_to_mandate/je8xwav/

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redduif t1_je9gth8 wrote

It’s already more expensive than gas per 100km. Not sure which one is bound to rise more.

But if it makes gas demands decline, it might lower gas prices. And then wait for electricity taxes to be upped again…

Eta : Care to explain the downvotes? This is not the sciencesub where they downvote any thought other than the published link.

FYI they charge 50-70ct /W at charging stations, at least in France, contrary to the one you upvoted is saying.
Let's say 60ct, for 20kWh per 100km
making it 12€/100km. Did you at least notice this article is about charging stations, not charging at home?

Gas (sp95/sp98) should be
around 10€/100km, but more economic exist.

Other than that I wondered about price evolution, I guess can't ask questions here either.
Another great sub.

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skalouKerbal t1_je9oz17 wrote

Replying to redduif (#2,480,589)

Not in France at least (around 0.20€/kWh), so around 2€/100km VS ~ 10€/100km for gasoline. and probably most of our neighbouring country in Europe. but Electric vehicules are still more expensive to buy.

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federykx t1_jea3ffj wrote

Replying to redduif (#2,480,589)

>if it makes gas demands decline, it might lower gas prices.

short term yes, long term no. It will cause the collapse and resizing of the fossil fuel industry which will end up making fossil fuels more expensive in the long run. No more subsidization, no more economies of scale for equipment manifacturers, no more R&D, will probably be slapped with hefty carbon taxes at some point.

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PartyYogurtcloset267 t1_jea97am wrote

As if the power grid in most of Europe is even capable of supporting a fraction of that.

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PartyYogurtcloset267 t1_jeaeab0 wrote

Replying to Semifreak (#2,488,889)

So in less than 3 years every EU country is going to build thousands of charging stations, completely overhaul their electrical gride and start producing several extra gigawatt hours of electricity - presumably - without using fossil fuels? Yes, sounds reasonable.

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Poly_and_RA t1_jeal7t5 wrote

Replying to PartyYogurtcloset267 (#2,489,443)

Why "thousands"? One charging station per 60km, and only along the main roads that are part of the ten-t network would amount to a few hundred tops for most countries, and in fact odds are many countries will organically have reached this goal before the deadline simply from market-demand and the additional stations that need to be built to fulfill the promise are close to zero.

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Poly_and_RA t1_jealmgc wrote

Many EU-countries will reach this goal "organically" i.e. by pure market-mechanisms before that date anyway. One charger every 60km along the main roads isn't a huge number of chargers, and many of these already exist, or are being built, to meet demand, even in the absence of any mandate.

The mandate will likely result in a few extra stations needing to be built during the few roads that are part of ten-t -- but have low enough demand that it's not otherwise directly profitable to build one. That's nice for people with EVs since it'll mean that there'll be frequent chargers along ALL of EUs main roads, rather than just most of EUs main roads.

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perestroika-pw t1_jeaqwl4 wrote

Replying to PartyYogurtcloset267 (#2,488,098)

A station per 60 km is actually nonsense, the grid supports that and it's woefully inadequate.

Population has to be considered. In a space of 60 km, you can have 1 000 000 people easily enough - and 1 charging station is a joke to them. :o

(Writing this from Estonia, in the most densely populated district of Tallinn, we have maybe 6 public charging sockets and something like 50 000 people. A total rebuild of the infrastructure is required. No amount of expensive CCS or ChaDemo stations will solve the problem. It has to be something primitive and cheap deployed in large numbers: either Type 1 or Type 2, and the price tag has to be reasonable enough to fill entire streets with them.)

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shaneh445 t1_jeblzr4 wrote

Im a bit jealous of a functional government that isn't completely captured by corporate and can come together and enact basic--makes sense laws and agreements that do better and help everyone

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fuck

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TotallyInOverMyHead t1_jecehws wrote

Replying to MoffKalast (#2,498,507)

i once walked parts of the Camino de Santiago from Basel to santiago de compostela witha friend. We got lost between Lyon and Limoges, as we "took a shortcut" after realizing just how much walking the official routes (sometimes wrong way) would mean and we really wanted to stop by at Bordeaux and Santander to stay with friends.

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That area was mostly woods.

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Semifreak t1_jeci8px wrote

Replying to Poly_and_RA (#2,491,193)

Indeed.

It's strange how some commenters (here and elsewhere) don't just express doubt about future positive plans targets, but are almost barking at anything else commented that isn't completely negative and attacking.

I don't know if they are just having a bad day and venting randomly or something else odd going on.

Humans gonna human, I guess.

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Poly_and_RA t1_jedx0cx wrote

Replying to One-Carob-800 (#2,500,445)

In which way does it screw any of this to create a political obligation to finance charging-stations at the relatively few places where a European main-road doesn't have sufficient demand that the market alone will ensure that chargers are installed?

It'll cost taxpayers a bit of money of course. On the other hand it'll be a benefit for competition between EVs and ICEs that consumers will know they can buy either type of vehicle and feel certain that there'll be sufficient chargers along ALL main-roads in the EU.

And let's get real; a few charging-stations is small fry. It's not as if this decision will amount to more than an utterly TRIVIAL fraction of the transport-budget in EU.

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