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gmoney1259 t1_j0l58iz wrote

AI will present problems for humanity. AI will present opportunities for humanity.

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amortellaro t1_j0lknc2 wrote

Most likely accurate and level-headed statement I’ve read lately. Why can’t we leave it at that? I’ve read too many drastic and specific predictions by folks who are too confident about the future.

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radicalceleryjuice t1_j0mcprj wrote

Because concern is warranted and required for ensuring safety. There are many top AI people who are concerned about how this could go badly.

Some people are way to sure about doom forecasting, but the dangers are too real to just leave it at “there will be some good stuff and some bad stuff.”

Same for the environment. If things work out ok, it will be because a lot of people expressed grave concerns. The situation with the environment does warrant a bit of noise.

…anyway, hard to know where the line is. But since some of the concern is coming from the very people building these systems, yes let’s be helpfully concerned. (But also a little optimistic)

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amortellaro t1_j0mhuu4 wrote

That’s fair, I think I feel bombarded with the worst predictions on Reddit lately, but I in no way am proposing not to be critical and wary of advancements in AI.

I sincerely hope that openAI’s stated goals of safe AI development are never cast to the wayside, and imagine that’s part of this public trial run with chatGPT

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radicalceleryjuice t1_j0mizzj wrote

Ok we’re on the same page. But note that OpenAI Has an “alignment problem” team and they certainly think we should be concerned (also excited). Also it took less than 24 hours for people to trick chatGPT into being evil.

I think we’re approaching an “all hands on deck” situation, where we need a whole lot of people to realize that things can work out, but only if we work together

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anglesideside1 t1_j0l9a9b wrote

We’ve lived through an industrial revolution already. Sure there were socialist movements and luddites who hated the machines, but for the most part we all adapted to those new opportunities. It’ll happen again.

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StanielBlorch t1_j0lruw0 wrote

I think OPs desired solution to this ghastly situation of people not having to labor for the profit of their betters would be the same as the Victorians came up with: the workhouse.

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radicalceleryjuice t1_j0mbmxf wrote

The Luddites didn’t hate all machines, they only hated machines that were designed to deskill the working classes.

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anglesideside1 t1_j0mdzbj wrote

Dey took ‘er jahbs!!!

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smooshie t1_j0mpdhg wrote

And if they had succeeded in their goals, everyone but themselves would be worse off for it.

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radicalceleryjuice t1_j0ms62k wrote

How so? Do you know what their goals were? They wanted to have a say in how technology was being designed. How would that make things worse?

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spellbanisher t1_j0nc8zd wrote

>We’ve lived through an industrial revolution already.

Your direct ancestors did, but hundreds of millions did not. To obtain food for its urban populations, as well as raw materials, Great Britain and other European countries created colonies around the world. Recent estimates have found that British colonialism (again, driven by industrial revolution) caused 165 million excess deaths in India from 1880-1920, and life expectancy declined from 27 to 22 years. That's a lot of people who didn't live through it.

Even in western countries the industrial revolution was brutal for most people who went through it. In the United States life expectancy declined from 44 to 37 years between 1790 and 1860. Again, a lot of people who didn't live through it.

Eventually society may adapt (although the past is a terrible predictor of the future), but we don't have to let the AI revolution decimate several generations. It took a lot of activism, organizing, and political struggle to make industrial society humane for most people: decolonization, the municipalization of sanitation, the regulation of working conditions, the universalization of education, the creation of welfare states. As anthropologist Karl Polanyi argued in The Great Transformation, the commodification of land and labor tends towards their annihilation. It was countermovements to commodification which made industrial society broadly livable.These things didn't just happen. People had to struggle and fight for it..

This is why the deterministic attitude towards AI is so detrimental. It makes people think that, hey, things will just work out because they did in the past, ignoring that people in the past fought to make things work out because they didn't assume that they simply would.

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anglesideside1 t1_j0nhmba wrote

Oh people are definitely going to die in any transition. Never said it wasn’t going to be easy. People thinking we can just sit around and get paid is the fallacy in all of this. Sorry…we’re all actually surviving here. It just doesn’t feel that way because our lives are so cushy thanks to all of our modern amenities and amazing infrastructure.

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gza_liquidswords t1_j0oe3y5 wrote

>Sure there were socialist movements

You should read about socialist movement, and how they eliminated child labor, provided worker safety protections, 40 hour work week, overtime protections etc etc

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blackperch t1_j0n44v3 wrote

[Insert ______ revolution] will present challenges and will also present opportunities for humanity.

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LuckyCSGO t1_j0mjkol wrote

It’s not this simple, the opportunities AI presents will be the problems it presents.

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Chuckobochuck323 t1_j0mmtz5 wrote

I think the biggest fear is how much control AI will take from humanity. If we’re talking about true AGI, that will be the dawn of a new species. A species with a greater potential than humanity. We are basically creating our replacements.

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flexr123 t1_j0mrzbj wrote

Seriously you guys are just imagining lots of bs limitless possibilities, ignoring the fact AI processing power is limited by its hardware too.

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Chuckobochuck323 t1_j0msgyf wrote

Have you ever considered that we are the hardware?

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flexr123 t1_j0mt2vi wrote

Everytime new AI model comes out people always freak out. I am so tired of this bs. Yes there's gonna be a lot of job loss but mostly entry level. High level jobs require not only human interaction, creativity but also accountability. Those jobs are irreplaceable. Who's gonna take responsibility when shits go wrong? Blame AI lul?

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Factorless t1_j0nc4lt wrote

False hope. We have to have something that drives us individually. Without something productive to do, AI will either control us to keep us from hurting ourselves, or we delve into a traditional hares natures.

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