Submitted by vpuetf t3_10dy0q7 in Futurology
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EVMad t1_j4nwpu4 wrote
Vegetarianism not looking so bad now huh? Plenty of plant based meat alternatives which are very good. Eating insects shows a serious commitment to hating veggies……
FuturologyBot t1_j4ny222 wrote
The following submission statement was provided by /u/vpuetf:
The French biotech company Ÿnsect plans to open 15 mealworm factories by 2030. The world must decarbonize, and unfortunately human food is one of the biggest sources of carbon pollution. Insect protein is one of the most sustainable proteins for human consumption, and very low in carbon emissions. The world needs to transition to such low carbon proteins for a sustainable, equitable and inclusive planet.
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/10dy0q7/inside_an_insect_farm_are_mealworms_a_sustainable/j4ntnsa/
ihavestrings t1_j4o184z wrote
Or permaculture / regenerative agriculture instead of eating bugs.
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omfg100 t1_j4o43ks wrote
This reminds me of that movie snowpiercer where the poor peasants were forced to eat bugs while the rich enjoyed real meat.
APEHASKILLEDAPE t1_j4o4osx wrote
No and we need to stop this nonsense about eating bugs. If this is something you find appealing then great but for those of us who don’t, never gonna happen.
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ScipioSectex t1_j4o8vxu wrote
No, meat is a sustainable meat alternative. We're just doing it wrong. Regenerative agriculture should be the focus instead of gross industry meat corporations.
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Zandandido t1_j4o9u7f wrote
For the mealworms, and specifically, their protein content, what is the breakdown of the amino acid profile?
DamonFields t1_j4oayim wrote
We grew up, over many thousands of years, eating this kind of food. It's more natural to our bodies than large animal flesh.
Dull-Contact120 t1_j4oj999 wrote
Roach bricks, coming to a ghetto near you.
gerkletoss t1_j4ojuti wrote
Half the world already eats insects regularly and 14 y/o redditors are here acting like this is as realistic as perpetual motion.
"But I don't like it!"
Joe Conservative says he'll die before he drives an electric car. Don't be him.
Zandandido t1_j4ok4sp wrote
The Valine is the only thing that's on the lower end.
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gerkletoss t1_j4oknaq wrote
There aren't many foods that hit everything
A healthy part of a balanced diet
AdvancedCharcoal t1_j4oqmj6 wrote
Roach is a extremely renewable and easily obtainable food source. They’re everywhere and easy to breed. All you have to do is never clean, or throw out the trash. In fact they make life easier! Win win for everyone.
technofuture8 t1_j4or7b1 wrote
Ever heard of cultured meat?
thorsten139 t1_j4osafn wrote
steaks for the rich, mealworm patties for the poor.
KorewaRise t1_j4ose9x wrote
fun fact. its a massive misconception that "they want you to eat bug". their usually ground into a flour like substance. stuff like cricket flour already exists and its incredibly healthy.
when hear of "meat replacement" you probably think bug steaks but it'd really be like a bread or something that has an incredibly high protein content. and even if its bug steaks, we really need to take in just how BAD the meat industry is. shit is responsable for 14.5% of the worlds carbon emissions or 60% of all food related emissions, the meat industry is very unsustainable.
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SlouchyGuy t1_j4oyihk wrote
We already eat them - shrimp, crabs, crawfish
MightyPupil69 t1_j4p1wu1 wrote
Lmfao, so many of you people pushing this shit in this sub. This isn't r/dystopia. It's for futurology.
VincentGrinn t1_j4p21w6 wrote
insect farming is a brilliant source of protein
for livestock, for animal feed
PhilosophusFuturum t1_j4p27o0 wrote
Sorry, but I am not going to eat ze bug. I will wait for cultured meat until I begin eating meat.
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Devlos00 t1_j4p42zf wrote
No they are not. There are many other options before resorting to this. I’d even resort to eating the scientists who do studies like this before eating the worm.
Devlos00 t1_j4p463r wrote
Who is we? I don’t eat those things.
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Zen4rest t1_j4p5g5b wrote
Why fuck with mealworms? We already make fine plant-based alternatives and they’re quickly improving.
ToothlessGrandma t1_j4p5qak wrote
Good luck with that. People refused to wear masks, you think the average person is going to eat meal worms. The rich people won't have anywhere to hide.
ToothlessGrandma t1_j4p5u6x wrote
Neither do I, and I wish people would stop calling them bugs. That's a clear attempt at gaslighting the situation. The average person doesn't think of those things when someone says bugs.
Never once in my entire life have I thought of sea creatures as bugs.
dehehn t1_j4p66q3 wrote
Insects are descended from marine crustaceans.
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ToothlessGrandma t1_j4p6e10 wrote
Who cares man. Nobody is calling shrimps bugs. That's your attempt at trying to make eating them more manageable. It's not going to work though.
Like I said, I've never in my life heard anyone refer to shrimp as bugs. You just can't all of a sudden start referring to them like that. It's not how the world works.
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Actually I've eaten roaches before and they are delicious.
CatchEmAll42069 t1_j4p7mbp wrote
"Eat the bugs... you wouldn't want people to think you like orange man do you?..."
w0mbatina t1_j4pafqy wrote
Yeah and cows are descended from fish, but you dont see them on a seafood platter.
weirdkid71 t1_j4pay2b wrote
I thought McDonalds had been using worms in their burgers since the 70’s?
Just kidding, but it was a popular urban legend back then.
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thorsten139 t1_j4pb7j1 wrote
It will be subtle.
Restrictions on cattle rearing due to climate change.
Scarcity makes price increase exponentially andmeat alternatives becoming mainstream.
dehehn t1_j4pbryf wrote
Except spiders actually look like crabs. Cows don't look like fish.
DreamerMMA t1_j4pbu11 wrote
Surf and Turf.
dehehn t1_j4pbzzg wrote
A lot of people think shrimp and crabs look like bugs. Myself included. Part of the reason I don't like crabs. And I hate shrimp when they have heads and feet still attached.
Don't know why you think I want you to eat bugs. I never said that. I don't want to eat insects or crab. I think all invertebrates are gross.
Floveet t1_j4pds8t wrote
If meat is 14% what makes for the majority ? Is it the biggest one or one of the issue only and there s something bigger ? If there is something bigger and more reponsible for carbon emissions, how about focusing on that then? How about big corp and factories ?
sersarsor t1_j4pepg6 wrote
It's like trying to stop global warming. People in developed countries will never settle for anything that has the appearance of being worse than what they're used to. But honestly, apart from the fact that you think they're disgusting, why won't you eat bugs?
KorewaRise t1_j4pf369 wrote
btw almost all cars emit almost the same as the meat industry does. everyone all gong ho about going ev, by going all ev it would have the same impact as eating less meat. climate change is a multifaceted thing we cant just tackle 1 angle and call it a day. we need to hit them all and get net negative asap (but thats easier said than done when all politicians have this same mindset).
idk what it is with this mentally of only being able to focus on 1 thing at a time.
APEHASKILLEDAPE t1_j4pgurv wrote
Because their bugs,
ModerateBrainUsage t1_j4phg3s wrote
It’s all about serious commitment to making profits and finding a market. Just wait until the fitness industry next FUD will be protein shakes made out of insects and they give you 0.00001% more muscle gain. Soon after the average joe will follow for the gut gains. And let’s not forget, it makes you a real man!
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Divallo t1_j4pivpr wrote
Cultured meat is when we eat the rich right?
GTholla t1_j4pjmzm wrote
had bedbugs and fleas each at one point in my life, now have a phobia towards bugs. I'm also autistic and have sensory issues for food. I'm not certain I could eat bugs without having an attack of some kind.
frankly I find your take very antagonisic. for most, its nowhere near as deep as 'this is below me and I am used to better than this!!'. rather, it's 'those are insects, and I associate insects with decay, which triggers a primal disgust reaction in me'.
sersarsor t1_j4pko8w wrote
>for most
The situation you described as your own does not apply for the majority of people and is only anecdotal. There are a lot of primal instincts that are no longer helpful in modern controlled environments. Overall, I think if humans were more open-minded to eating things such as other parts of livestock (innards), sea creatures, and insects, we'd be able to drastically reduce our carbon footprint per capita.
Pubelication t1_j4pl2sv wrote
57% of that 14% is livestock, plant-based is 29%.
Let's pretend that all livestock disappears. Where the fuck do you think the emissions from livestock, which are mostly caused by transportation and farming machinery are going to go? Those people will need to eat something. In Europe for example, the only place that vegetables grow from Oct to Mar are in the very south (Spain, Italy, Greece), and heated greenhouses with artificial lighting. Livestock is available year-round locally and virtually unaffected by weather.
neglectedselenium t1_j4pqbhd wrote
People will do anything to just not eat their veggies and fruits
harooh t1_j4q0bjd wrote
but my chicken nuggets!
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Pubelication t1_j4q2qzh wrote
> Except spiders actually look like crabs.
Yeah, if you're looking through a bottle of vodka.
Pubelication t1_j4q3xj5 wrote
Also, no need for a fridge. Just lift your matress and lunch is almost ready. Fun for the whole family.
nameTotallyUnique t1_j4q6bq9 wrote
Well for the 29% plant based to make since a big percentage of that is feeding the livestock. Else i would like to see the source on livestock emmision being smaller then plantbased.
Pubelication t1_j4q7gr5 wrote
It's not smaller, it's 57% vs 29%.
But if all people eating meat stopped, the emissions from plant farming to replace those calories would skyrocket. The only way to lower plant-based food emissions is to not ship it, which would mean almost the entire northern hemisphere would have no fruits or vegetables half the year, or they'd have to be grown in heated and artificially lit greenhouses, which again creates emissions.
It makes more sense to not ship meat around as much and buy local. In Europe that's caused by some countries subsidizing certain meat types and exporting them.
TroutFilet t1_j4q8qte wrote
Had us worried in the first half
nameTotallyUnique t1_j4qakc1 wrote
Thanks for the clearup.
Well alot of the food to raise livestock is shipped anyhow. Yes shipping anything that can produced locally doesnt make to much sense. But i would assume that the emmissions of transportation of it using containerships is small compared to the production.
If all peole stopped eating meat we would certainly save emmission even if transported. And ofc plant based emmissions would go up. Same as if everyone stopped eating advocates and eat apples instead the emission for apples would go up but the total emmision that was for applea and advocatoes would deastical go down.
But yes eating locally makes sense and it's another debate. Plant based can easily be produced locally aswell.
UnionMountain4680t t1_j4qc38r wrote
And some positive PR on how bugs are healthy. Some cool pixar movies about how bugs are great and we are there. But I guess this is a great thing for everybody!?:)
thorsten139 t1_j4qjmd8 wrote
It's a great thing if everyone is eating bugs. Not the rich eating beef and the poor eating bugs heh
Littleman88 t1_j4qn14j wrote
Not sure they could positively spin eating bugs.
They could however, make eating bugs out to be owning the libs and get at least half the population on board. The same half that would sooner see the atmosphere burn before giving up pork and beef at that.
I make no apologies for my previous statement, as I'm under the impression lefties are more likely to go vegan/bugs than the right. Gotta know what you're dealing with when you propose massive societal change.
KyussSun t1_j4quaos wrote
Of course they're a viable alternative. "Meal" is right in their name.
gerkletoss t1_j4qw09t wrote
How do you feel about cultures that eat insects regularly?
How do you feel about lobster?
EVMad t1_j4qwi6a wrote
There’s always the soylent option too. Grannie patties, uncle cakes, roast sister. Meat eaters gotta eat meat no matter what.
dehehn t1_j4qzp8v wrote
Uh. No. They're both 8 joint-legged creatures with bulbous bodies and exoskeletons. Compared to a fish and a cow they are extremely similar.
If ya'll want to convince yourself that eating crabs isn't gross I understand it. But it's pretty funny hearing you all act like they're not very close.
I'm happy you enjoy your ocean bugs.
Mindrust t1_j4rmr5k wrote
Seriously, don't understand why this is being pushed so hard recently. It will never be a thing in first world countries.
Mindrust t1_j4rn3j8 wrote
The difference is those things all live in the ocean, and not crawling on my leg at 3 AM when I'm in bed.
AubyvsCDNU t1_j4ro7yz wrote
I rather die from a nuke than have to eat bugs, lose my road trips, and have to stay in this biological body. I rather die!
Communism will solve all Of this!! We won't need. To eat bugs, lose our road trips, and stay in meatsacks forever under communism
Communism. Will bring freedom. To all
KorewaRise t1_j4rp3cx wrote
oh wow its almost like we're trying to find alternatives that pollute less, require less overhead and logistics. but based off this comment section y'all don't give a shit, you just want meat no matter the consequences
Pubelication t1_j4rprmi wrote
Okay, but like I mentioned, fruits/vegetables require much more logistics as they don't grow year-round, whereas a pig dgaf about winter if it has a pen.
KorewaRise t1_j4rtskp wrote
it also needs to shit, fart, eat, drink water, breathe, etc. animals need a metric fuck ton more resources than plants.
live stock uses 36% of all crops we grow for animal feed.
80% of ALL agricultural land goes toward livestock or their food.
it also takes YEARS to actually eat it, a fucking sweet potatoe takes like 90 days to grow.
we could easily feed the world 4 times over if we didn't have such a meat addiction, but we rather destroy the planet than quit eating as much meat.
crawdadicus t1_j4s27df wrote
People don’t realize how much mouse and cockroach feces they have consumed in pre packaged and restaurant food. Protein is protein.
Scottalias4 t1_j4srqhf wrote
I can't read this because of the paywall but I have read that meal worms make excellent and cheap chicken feed.
swingtuck t1_j4sv5kb wrote
How would you feel about eating shit if they made it into edible meat-like patties and bread with lots of protein?
sersarsor t1_j4t67dp wrote
Well considering recycled urine is a thing, and used on the space station, your proposition isn't very far fetched. See below for more information:
https://www.nasa.gov/content/year-in-space-crew-will-drink-730-liters-of-recycled-urine-and-sweat
UnionMountain4680t t1_j4tfxi4 wrote
Well that will feel not fair for sure but net is still better no?) but if fairness is important then maybe not so great yeah)
UnionMountain4680t t1_j4tgg9y wrote
I think left is more open to change by design no? :) I think this is a matter of perception- a lot of stuff that is okay today was considered bad before, but eating might just be a more extreme case, but extreme times extreme measures maybe?:)
thorsten139 t1_j4tjovq wrote
they aren't mutually exclusive.
you can just have everyone eat bugs whether they are rich or poor.
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UnionMountain4680t t1_j4uso7q wrote
Yep sure. I am okay with bugs and probably everyone will or even should be okay. I think this is a matter of perception. I am from the place where it is okay to eat horses and dogs (but in minority still) and oh do I have a looks in my life abroad hehe but for me it is absolutely the same being lamb or dog and vast majority of people think I am totally wrong:)
swingtuck t1_j4xf8ob wrote
Well that changes things guys, they recycle piss in the space station, so line me up for some shit patty burgers to save the Earth while Bill Gates has a fresh steak from a cow.
sersarsor t1_j4y89ty wrote
If we keep destroying our natural environment, one day we'll have to use technology to process to make food from thing you won't accept. At that point you can either choose to be malnourished or be more open and explore new diets.
berrytas t1_j52omf5 wrote
you're so brainwashed, it's insane. meat is the most nutrient-dense food on the planet and is no more climate-harsh than vegetables will become if they replace those fields. humans have prized meat for 100,000s of years, but because its been trendy for 5 years, now you'll eat roaches. makes sense.
swingtuck t1_j52v8i2 wrote
> If we keep destroying our natural environment, one day we'll have to use technology to process to make food from thing you won't accept
More so if suckers like you keep jerking off about eating bugs for the benefit of the ultra wealthy.
KorewaRise t1_j53b50v wrote
just because its been done for a long time doesn't mean its good.
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>you're so brainwashed, it's insane.
ironic. you say this three days later as you know you're not arguing in good faith and if this thread was still active others would dog pile you too. piss off you fetid excuse
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vpuetf OP t1_j4ntnsa wrote
The French biotech company Ÿnsect plans to open 15 mealworm factories by 2030. The world must decarbonize, and unfortunately human food is one of the biggest sources of carbon pollution. Insect protein is one of the most sustainable proteins for human consumption, and very low in carbon emissions. The world needs to transition to such low carbon proteins for a sustainable, equitable and inclusive planet.