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FeatheryBallOfFluff t1_j9cpg87 wrote

I find it worrying that people think people need to constantly have jobs, or "tHe rIcH wIlL rePlACe uS!". Can we finally just accept that with these massive improvements in efficiency and productivity, maybe, just maybe, we can devote a smaller part of our lives to work? The 40 hour work week is going on for 80 years now, despite the world being completely different from that pre world-war II, and our productivity increased at least 5 times.

The best thing that could happen is for AI to automate away most of the jobs, and yes that requires a different economy, and no, the rich won't throw you away. You can still vote for politicians. Stop watching so many movies.

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ringobob t1_j9d40dp wrote

Hypothetically, we could realize a wholesale benefit to all of society due to something like this, but typically those benefits start by accruing to the wealthy, and it's a hard battle to get them for everyone else.

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clay12340 t1_j9djlqn wrote

What you're saying is possible. It's just the intervening decades that are a real problem. The US won't even handle insurance or a living wage at 40 hours let alone scaling back work to some limited few hours and offering those things. Sure it might happen at some point, but it's going to take pretty much a complete reworking of the governmental and financial systems. Those aren't generally things that happen quickly or quietly.

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dorarah t1_j9emxvn wrote

You are so, so silly for having such wild hopes and dreams. The politicians we vote for won’t even give us healthcare, or keep our railways safe and operational, or give us fair districts to vote in, or even raise wages to keep pace with inflation. And even if the US get UBI, do you really think that every government on earth is going to do the same? They are seeking to make the lowest paid jobs in the lowest paid countries redundant - outsourced Art for games for example. You think that all gets done in the US?

They’re not going to make our work weeks shorter, they’re going to lay off so many people that we all have to work 80 hours a week to keep up. Please stop lying to yourself.

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FeatheryBallOfFluff t1_j9eps3a wrote

Why would we go back to 80 hours? That was during the industrial era. I think my optimism is more based on reality than your negativism. Im also not from the USA, but I dont think that really matters.

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BCweallmakemistakes t1_j9ftasl wrote

It is different here. Very different. We don’t have healthcare, pensions are going away, housing affordability is drying up.

Without work, there is no wage. That is capitalism. The US was founded in it and it is not going anywhere here.

The US is different than any other country by a wide margin, both socioeconomically and fundamentally.

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FeatheryBallOfFluff t1_j9k270n wrote

I mean automating away jobs means a group of people can now grow food automatically, and build houses more cheaply. Take matters in our own hands and become independent through automation.

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BCweallmakemistakes t1_j9n1vu5 wrote

Cooool. And what land do you do that on, again? Who pays the taxes on the land? Who has access to seeds, fertilizer, building materials, power, water, etc?

Bro I wish I could shovel what you're digging, but that shit is fucking crack in a baggy bro. You're literally in orbit on this train. Your Shit ain't real bro.

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FeatheryBallOfFluff t1_j9pz007 wrote

Buy a plot ofand with a group, share taxes, everyone who works and owns the land has access.

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Rhonijin t1_j9emjhq wrote

Yeah, I'm actually pretty excited about AI art, and I think that the fear over it speaks more about our current economic system than it does about the tech itself.

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