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pedestrianpinniped t1_j6a3uwx wrote
Reply to comment by ASK_IF_IM_PENGUIN in [Image] Marcus Aurelius and his ten rules by kuroninjaofshadows
Not sure I understand what you are trying to say here, no one is trying to change Putin, we are responding to what he is doing. Are you saying we should just abandon all the former soviet states to him?
zman0313 t1_j6ajcly wrote
Eh I think some apologists who empathize with putins perspective do this. Thinking he just needs to be treated well by the west to reform. Even if his grievances are justified, he will never trust the west and will never cooperate. The days for that have passed
ASK_IF_IM_PENGUIN t1_j6bv6u0 wrote
No, I'm saying the opposite. The West shouldn't have expected him to behave towards us any differently than he treats anyone else.
pedestrianpinniped t1_j6bzv9x wrote
I'm still not getting it, Putin obviously treats the West different than others, way more hostility and paranoia, way less success at bullying. No one that's been paying attention for the last 20 years is particularly surprised that Putin's gonna Putin, but it is surprising to see him drop the ball this hard.
ASK_IF_IM_PENGUIN t1_j6c0i0s wrote
I'm not sure he does treat the west any different - he treats people that don't lick his boots different.
He has ordered the murders of his own citizens. Litvinenko, Anna Politkovskaya, Sergei and Yulia Skripal spring to mind. Then there's this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia
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