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super_deap t1_jdu0w8f wrote

Reply to comment by artsybashev in [D] GPT4 and coding problems by enryu42

Hard disagree with Materialism. I know I might get a lot of -ve votes, but this has to be said:

A large portion of the world (especially outside of the west) does not believe in 'consciousness "emerging" from electrical impulses of the brain.' While the west has progressed a lot materially, bringing us to modernity (and now post-modernity), people outside of the west believe in an immaterial soul that cannot be captured by definition by the scientific method and it transcends our material body.

While I believe we will reach general human-level intelligence (and may go beyond this) because intelligence has a purely material component that we can replicate in computers, consciousness will never ever arise in these systems. There are very strong philosophical arguments to support this case.

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artsybashev t1_jdu2hjs wrote

The physical world that we know is very different from the virtual twin that we see. The human mind lives in a virtual existence created by the material human brain. This virtual world creates nonexisting things like pain, colors, feelings and also the feeling of existence.

The virtual world that each of our brain creates is the wonderful world where a soul can emerge. Virtual worlds can also be created by computers. There is no third magical place besides these two in my view.

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super_deap t1_jdu3zan wrote

It is fine if you disagree and I believe a lot more people will disagree with this philosophical position as it is not very popular these days.

Near-death experiences, out-of-body experiences, contact with 'immaterial entities' and so on hint towards an existence beyond our material reality. Since there is no way one could 'scientifically' test these does not mean these things simply do not exist.

Testimony widely used yet mostly dismissed method of knowledge acquisition establishes all of the above:

A patient being operated on while in a complete medical comma explaining the things happening in clear details in a nearby room after the operation that there is no way they could have known that, one such testimony by a reliable person is sufficient to establish that our current understanding of the world is insufficient. And there are so many of these.

I am not saying u have to change your worldview just because I am saying so. do your research. the world is much bigger than what is out there on the internet. (pun intended)

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