Submitted by bikeskata t3_10rqe34 in MachineLearning
Official blog post: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/blog/2023/02/01/microsoft-teams-premium-cut-costs-and-add-ai-powered-productivity/
Given the amount of money they pumped into OpenAI, it's not surprising that you'd see it integrated into their products. I do wonder how this will work in highly regulated fields (finance, law, medicine, education).
Using fancy words but be factually incorrect?
What do you mean by that?
It’s really interesting to see how companies are trying to productize ai. The teams features seem both powerful, and a total waste of a billion dollar language model. I hope we start to see better.
I hope they use ChatGPT and Copilot to finally make a working version of Teams on Linux.
Integrating cut down version of GPTs into premium products.. more or less what was obvious to come from this.
kind reminder ...
GPT-3 didn't cost a billion to train
It does cost a LOT of money to run, which is why you're unlikely to "see better" for the short and medium term future. Unless you're into paying hundreds to thousands per month for this functionality
Hope this finds you well,
Machine learning can facilitate the use of managerial buzzwords by enabling natural language processing algorithms to identify and categorize key phrases and terminology commonly used in management and corporate settings. This can facilitate the generation of buzzword-rich language in real-time, empowering individuals to communicate more effectively and authentically within a business context. Additionally, machine learning can also be leveraged to analyze large datasets, identifying emerging buzzwords and trends in management speak, thus allowing individuals to stay ahead of the curve and stay relevant in the constantly evolving corporate landscape.
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(I'd say it's pretty much got it nailed)
And yet I didn't read the word "synergistic" once. Guess AI just isn't there yet.
I swear it's gotten actively worse in the last year
we'll have to circle back and see where it's at in Q3
Microsoft paid 1B to use GPT3.
It still doesn't make me want to use Teams.
I don't think the billion was for gpt alone, it was to build out an entire AI ecosystem within azure and a big chunk of it was handed out as azure credits anyway
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Somehow this feels less impactful than I was thinking it would feel. I mean, Gmail has had sentence autocomplete suggestions for a long time now, and this is largely the same kind of thing.
Teams for linux now works as a Progressive Web App, which means it now has the same features as the windows app
Has anyone ever actually circled back later when they said this? I remember it being a meme for "I'm going to ignore you now".
I got it working with Siri. Build a new Shortcut using the HTTP method they have built-in to structure your API call (don’t forget to include your API key) and boom.
I use it in the browser now. No way i install that pile of garbage again.
It did use "leverage" though
Maybe fix the damn app first, it’s so slow and buggy
And a working version for Windows as well.
Working version of Teams, period :D
Lol I can just see the faces of the devs when the PM asked them last week “can we add gpt to teams to fix the crashing bugs and performance issues?”
What do you mean ? It works ! It just sometimes completely forget some messages, sometimes fail to load an entire chat so I have to restart the app, sometimes crash without reason, sometimes audio refuses to work in video calls... But it launches ! I call that working by Microsoft standards.
Can you give more details?
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Really basic stuff like copy/paste does not work. But they want to add in more features?!
Yeah it's the only way to screenshare
I actually find automatically generating notes to be a smart and useful application. I often have 1 on 1 remote meetings and I find it difficult to both present and discuss my work while also taking notes. It often happens to me that I focus on something so that I forget I should also take notes, which I then notice a week later when I have forgotten half of the tasks. If it would work reliably then I can imagine it to be a very useful addition.
I have never used teams though, everything's on zoom.
Hmm, I don't know that one.
This isn't being used for autocomplete or any user text generation purposes though.
They're using it to summarize and make todo lists from the Whisper extracted transcripts of video meetings. Users aren't getting a frontend to run arbitrary stuff through the model. Seems like a pretty legitimate use case.
Well, you got deepmind's chinchilla model, and Google's CALM approach that can increase the speed of interference by maybe 3x - in addition to other tricks..
Is the automatic transcription done with openai whisper?
Oh, nice, autogenerated meeting minutes and stuff is a great QOL feature. I, uh, probably should have read the article, oops
yep. $1B in cash but they have to use Azure as their exclusive compute cloud compute provider, which Microsoft probably sells to OAI at ~cost
I think it' safe to assume that 2/3 of that will go towards training & inference, and if you also assume M doesn't make nor lose money selling compute (and in fact they get to strengthen Azure as a cloud infra player), they really only paid ~$300M to invest in OAI at what seems like a great price in hindsight
Microsoft recently paid 10B$ to get full access to the model and allow openAI full access to Azure GPUs and a 49% ownership.
Clippy 2.0
Doesn't seem like a waste to me. If it works (big if!) I can see it cutting out a lot of tedious tasks.
Got to be honest, the biggest thing I'm not looking forward to is every vapid person with a bogus job being able to write as though they're an intelligent important person. Like how Grammarly allowed dumb people to hide the fact that they can barely read and write.
GPT-3 can be quantized to 4bit with little loss, to run on 2 Nvidia 3090's/4090's (Unpruned, pruned perhaps 1 3090/4090). At 2$ a day for 8 hours of electricity to run them, and 21 working days per month. That is 42$ per month (plus amortized cost of the cards and computer to store them).
Part of this is about brand identity also. Even if a technology isn't perfect some companies try to get in early. This is similar to virtual reality and mixed reality trends. The industry sees an inevitable future and want to be the name people think of. If one assumes gradual improvements until ~2045, then this is long-term planning. (Or short-term depending on improvements expected. It's possible MS has insider information that skews their motives).
I'm looking forward to finding out that peopel who write nice letters and look good on cam are just as dumb as the minions they manage.
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The 10 Billion dollar deal is, reportedly, giving microsoft 75% of OpenAI's profits until a certain threshold, that's more than just any given model
Technically yes. When something breaks and you recall that meeting where we said we'd pick it up but just didn't
Well OpenAI also, in that scenario, got a massive on demand compute infrastructure at cost, that's a good deal both ways.
I seriously doubt they have been able to do what you just described.
Not to mention a rented double gpu setup, even the one you described would run you into the dozen(s) of dollars per day, not 2.
You mean you want to see more than the same random four people at once? I don't think there is a use case for that.
Are you referring to something like https://support.apple.com/guide/shortcuts/request-your-first-api-apd58d46713f/ios which uses Sirikit?
I downloaded teams to do job interviews.
Had to disable "run on startup" because I'd constantly be treated "teams has crashed" everytime I started my pc.
It’s no longer supported. The installer is just an old copy
I’m one of the lucky ones and it has not really acted up for me just yet but one of my teammates is going through nightmares with it and it hurts me to see him suffer.
On the other hand it is a really nice piece of software which makes its flaws even harder to fathom honestly.
You mean the app? I did get a meaningful update in the flatpak not so long ago before I switched to browser
Edit: oh yeah seems you're right, and just around the time I quit
lots of words, low information density per sentence
This is devastating to startups in the meeting transcription market. Solutions like Otter and Fireflies cost $15-20 per month and only have a fraction of the featureset of Teams Premium. Really interested to see how this develops.
Why must we wait for Q3? Our dynamic process allows us to skate the puck in real time.
Like most humans do anyway?
WebEx can actually automatically produce transcripts of your meetings (via transcription). Seems easy enough to parse the transcript for action items and such
Wait till you try running it in Firefox. It's clearly crippled on that browser.
No, you got it worng. Today you want to sprnikle a few mistakes to signal your authenticity. It's the new cool style. Only chatGPT and copyrighting professionals have perfect grammar.
interference is all you need
That's why I keep pen and notebook open in front of my keyboard at all times, I take light notes during meetings and use it as scratchpad when I am thinking. I can fill 100 pages in a month, almost never re-read except for meeting notes.
> largely the same kind of thing.
For what value of largely? How many coherent words can it write? Does it also obey commands and solve tasks?
Many AI teams are scrambling now to label data with GPT-3 and train their small efficient models from GPT-3 predictions. This makes the hard part of data labelling much easier, speeds up development 10 times. In the end you get your cheap & fast models that work about as good as GPT-3 but only on a narrow task.
How many gpus does that take to run?
Honestly all the GPT stuff they are introducing seems pretty useful.
I like the idea of having automatic tasks generated after a meeting. I usually jot down 'follow-up' items while in meetings, and send them out to relevant coworkers afterward. It would only save me 5 minutes or so after every call, but could maybe help me focus more on what's being said rather than writing everything down 🤷♂️.
Also flagging parts of a meeting that you missed, auto-chapters, and tagging sections by the speaker all seem genuinely helpful.
That being said, my company doesn't use Microsoft products, so I hope to see features like this come to other platforms.
They announced back in like september it was no longer supported, so that tracks.
Except for the fact that it has next to zero usability if you use Firefox as a default browser, and there are no functional OS integrations
Chatgpt can be imperfect on cue
Microsoft does not give a toss about Firefox. Power Bi and Power Apps also have bugs only in Firefox
It looks like you 're trying to get censored
i work at teams and i can tell you usage in Linux is getting so low it makes no sense business wise to invest anything on it tbh
Also just around the time I bought a System76 to WFH. I was bitterly disappointed
Yeah in fact I did reinstall a chrome based browser for that
But that's part of the Microsoft branding.
We're blocked due to key stakeholders needing to get alignment on deliverables. Let's schedule a deep-dive.
Create an electron app and use
My job got a demo a couple months back and some of the capabilities are incredible. The live translation might really be a game changer
https://github.com/IsmaelMartinez/teams-for-linux
This 3rd party implementation is better than any version Microsoft has ever released.
It's almost like people are avoiding using it because of the huge amount of bugs and missing features...
Don't forget, confidently incorrect
This used to be the only way you knew your PC was working
No, it'd be too expensive. Azure Cognitive Services.
Teams popped up a request for feedback the other day. They might not ask me again.
Since they went to the progressive web app last fall, it’s been nearly flawless for me.
> Seems easy enough to parse the transcript for action items and such
That was never thought to be easy; but it is becoming that way now.
Site is down; Microsoft was never expecting more than a few people to read their blog
Give us AI Powered Clippy... !!
I am bad at corporate speak, and I often say the wrong thing. So now I use chatgpt to write mildly passive aggressive emails and politically correct chat messages.
Living on the Edge.
If it helps educate people who talk fart, its golden.
Hmm can you elaborate a bit as someone who works in ai? How are you labeling data with gpt-3?
Strange how programs might not work correctly in a browser that takes privacy seriously... I wonder what might cause that? /s
its douvle edged sword. But its not worth putting any effort when Linux doesn't bring any money to table
So.... your meeting transcript becomes part of gpt's training dataset. No Thanks!
No matter how hard they try to whack-a-mole them, the biases of the model will come through, particularly by omission. Example? It's super bad about minimizing Jewish history, or saying awful things about the Holocaust like that it was harmful to both the victims and the perpetrators. It's basically like working with a raging racist who's trying to follow a list of very specifically worded instructions from a woke but low functioning autistic HR dept.
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My task is in the NLP space, maybe that makes it more approacheable - information extraction from semistructured documents. I can do extraction from existing documents with GPT-3 (question answering) or I can generate new data with known tags.
(psst, don't tell teachers about that)
Hiw it's gonna be helpful in teams? Any idea
Wow, OpenAI indeed. They couldn't have gone more against the original intention of democratizing AI if they tried.
They should ask ChatGPT to make a better Teams app.
They're very open to your money!
care to share a sample?
In fairness, every single time I've seen someone use grammarly they were extremely intelligent people with English as their second or third language. I also know one person who uses it because of dyslexia, which has nothing to do with intelligence. Be careful about shaming people for using software commonly used for accessibility.
Ability to execute will become even more important when competence is normalized.
Not sure about the above claim, but you can train a GPT2 model in 38 hours for about 600 bucks on rented hardware now. Costs are certainly coming down.
Windows 11 is technically a decent Ubuntu distro.
Getting a good data set to train a model is usually the most time-consuming task. You need breadth amd depth of content so your model doesn't overfit and work for just a handful of narrow use cases.
Supervised learning algorithms need labeled data (e.g. classification tags) and this is traditionally done with people. If that can be done with AI, you can complete this 100x faster and probably more accurately.
It won't be too long before they can use co-pilot to fix code for them.
Hey ChatGPT can you phrase this [sentence] to be politically correct?
Why? I don't care about your friend's feelings.
This comment was a fine addition to the discussion until you thought you could tell me what to do.
r u ok hun?
Are your friends?
edit: oh wait, you already told us they're not.
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CLIPPY MAKES HIS GLORIOUS RETURN!!?!?!!!!
ALL HAIL CLIPPY THE AI SENTIENT SUPER GOD
They just need to call it "money hype train, we will fix it as we go." If a company ran that honest PR campaign I'd be a customer.
When they originally went closed-source they claimed it was because of the dangers that being open-sourced presented.
About a year later they dropped their non-profit status and sold out to Microsoft.
Love the company, but that's some crazy double speak there.
I was hoping for a sample of your mildly passive aggressive emails.
"Slash marker"
Maybe it's so the devs can get used to working with AI Assitance. It will be an experiment to overhaul a software with AI Assistance. This is the future.
We can rebuild him: Stronger Faster
The 10 Billion Dollar Man that will then be an asset that can increase productivity 20% as of now, but will get exponentially better.
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This is Reddit. Nobody reads the articles. Don’t worry.
Our school held some lectures over teams during the pandemic. There's a pop-up each time someone tries to enter a teams meeting, which is annoying in normal cases but disastrous when there's 200+ participants.
I'm still waiting for GPT to be integrated into EXCEL.
I'm really hoping they reuse Clippy for this because it'd be hilarious if Clippy ends up being the AI that conquers the world.
whisper is an open source model and there are fast C++ open source implementations that can perform live transcription on an RPI, what are you talking about lol
Not at this quality.
frequenttimetraveler t1_j6x5bdf wrote
Oh well, now every employee can talk like a manager