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polgara_buttercup OP t1_j7z6cdq wrote

The quote from the article sums up their position so well. They want to make sure their kids hold their biases against people they feel are lesser. They want to be bullies.

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brashendeavors t1_j7z6ufj wrote

>“Not every human is deserving of my child’s empathy.”

Pretty good summary of conservative "christian" values. Forgetting everything Jesus ever said is the new christian way.

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SuggestAPhotoProject t1_j7z9u2a wrote

Do any of these phony religious Republicans remember when Jesus commanded them to turn the other cheek?

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woodcuttersDaughter t1_j7zdo6a wrote

Empathy works both ways. I’m guessing their kids are gonna be little douche bags.

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PrincessConsuela02 t1_j7zg9re wrote

Can you imagine being offended by a school trying to teach your child how to be kind and empathetic? What kind of world am I living in?

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polgara_buttercup OP t1_j7zmivn wrote

But they can’t pinpoint what they object to in the course work. They just feel it’s wrong. And they specifically said that they don’t want their kids to show respect to everyone, that they reserve the right to look down on “certain people”.

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dogmomdrinkstea t1_j7zndhx wrote

As someone who was bullied relentlessly for being autistic aka "the different weirdo kid" and plenty of homo/bi phobia as a queer person, this shit makes me wanna puke. My daughter will be a year old soon and I'll make damn sure to teach her empathy and general kindness is important. Break the cycle, folks.

ETA - I also used to live in Enola as a kid (my parents shared custody between Harrisburg and there), so this hits home.

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Sensitive_Job_7164 t1_j7zoq6t wrote

I dont want to assume what "certain people" means to her or you. I just know she has the right to go against any curriculum taught to her child if she disagrees with it. If they feel it's entirely uneeded then the oarents should all come together at a school board meeting and change things. I think parents are not nearly involved enough in their child's education, the mere fact she is so adamant about it is atleast something.

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HeyZuesHChrist t1_j7zrrej wrote

I don't give a shit what these idiots think goes against their conservative Christian views. The god they worship is a terrible, petty bully who isn't worth a fucking thought let alone worship. If they want their kids to get a conservative Christian education they can send them to a private school of their choosing and pay for it out of their own pockets. Until then they can leave their worthless petty bullshit god out of education.

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HeyZuesHChrist t1_j7zrylh wrote

Not to mention that the residents of Pennsylvania rejected Mastriano about as hard as you can possibly reject someone. These people still want to try to shove a guy nobody wanted down our throats. We spoke and they refuse to listen.

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HeyZuesHChrist t1_j7zs89t wrote

They don't give a shit. They use religion as a shield they can hide behind. You cannot reason with someone who believes their beliefs are divine. They won't ever compromise because of this. So they continue with their hatred and hide behind religion.

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Grumpicake t1_j7zt03g wrote

On paper the whole “my kid shouldn’t have to be empathetic towards everyone” thing is true, some people are just horrible monsters that do terrible things. But I’m context, what this lady is really saying is “I don’t want my kid to be accepting of anyone that isn’t white, Christian, and straight.” what a fucking nut job.

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mattd1972 t1_j7ztnxp wrote

Let’s look at the Bible a little closer…specifically, Matthew 25:41-45. “41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’”

These people are in for a rude awakening.

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CoupleFilms t1_j7zxd80 wrote

Damn I got this right as I was picking my kids up from a school in this district for an appointment isn’t that crazy 😂

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ThePopeJones t1_j7zxyz2 wrote

Serious question here. Who do you think she's talking about if it's not gay folks? Follow up, what type of person would it be ok for her to dislike enough to be allowed to excuse her kids from class for?

Also, if she decides that women shouldn't be allowed to learn math, should she be allowed to take her daughters out of math class?

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Ok_Season_5325 t1_j7zy499 wrote

These people are looney tunes, keep this crap in Florida.

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drunkmonkey176 t1_j7zz8du wrote

Funny, that's exactly what the Taliban believes. Y'All Qaeda trash needs taken out.

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SupahHuman t1_j7zzpvi wrote

Imagine telling your child exactly who they can and cannot positively interact with.

It's like I can hear the helicopter blades running.

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No-Setting9690 t1_j800ryj wrote

I'm sure there are good Christians, but this is exact reason religion needs to end.

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puresugarstick t1_j808nzx wrote

This just blows my mind on a daily basis and I find myself also asking what kind of world we live in. My own teenage son was raised to be kind, compassionate, and empathetic, I couldn't imagine why a parent wouldn't want that for their own child.

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Drewcifer81 t1_j809ppc wrote

> “Again, not everyone deserves respect, empathy, honesty, kindness etc. from my children.”

Aren't these the same folks who screamed about how we needed to have empathy when them and their ilk were earning themselves Herman Cain Awards at an amazing pace?

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tehmlem t1_j80b628 wrote

> “Again, not everyone deserves respect, empathy, honesty, kindness etc. from my children.”

If that's how a parent feels then why precisely should we respect them?

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MacDynamite71 t1_j80bnbi wrote

Is that the confederate cos player in the background

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puresugarstick t1_j80bwvd wrote

>“I have the right to teach them respect,” the parent wrote. “Again, not everyone deserves respect, empathy, honesty, kindness etc. from my children.”

People who treat others without kindness, empathy, and compassion are often miserable people. They compound their misery because of how they treat others. Think of when you hate someone and how it actually makes you feel at that time. Yes, hate is a normal human emotion, but most of us can not focus our hateful feeling for another 24/7 so we get a reprieve. These people live off hate, which I just could not fathom. And if that group of people they hate were to disappear they move on to hate another group.

I am not Christian,(I am a Buddhist) but I do know that Christ's message was one of kindness, love, honesty, empathy, and respect. These people are not Christian as they do not follow Christ's teachings.

Galatians 5:19-21

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

So basically according to their own Bible, the one they love to quote so much they will not be inheriting the Kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

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tehmlem t1_j80fd3z wrote

That they hold up as an example of fatherhood a being which believes both that the mere fact of having created a person entitles them to total control over that person and that torture is an appropriate response to disobedience explains a lot about why they're such shitty parents. And why their opinion on raising children should be given exactly zero weight.

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ROTLA t1_j80ol2s wrote

It was always like this. Jesus was a Jew but soon after he died, suddenly many of the Jewish laws didn’t apply because it was easier to convert others if you let them keep the tips of their wieners and eat pork. Create a new sacred text, adopt some pagan symbols and it’s all good!

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Potential-History493 t1_j80tdto wrote

I saw in this article that you pennlive.com mentioned that “While Moms for Liberty describes itself as non-partisan, many of its issues are in lockstep with the right flank of the Republican Party”. Are they not allowed to identify as how ever they wish? And aren’t you supposed to support that? Isn’t that the cookie cutter world we live in these days? If it looks like a pig but identifies as a horse, it must be a horse…. Even though we all know that it’s a pig. Oink oink

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BrainWav t1_j80ue3i wrote

I mean, she's not wrong... But I suspect she and I would heavily disagree on the who and the why. Especially since she seems like a prime candidate for losing that respect.

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dominantspecies t1_j80x748 wrote

if you want your kid to turn in to an idiotic, hate-filled asshole, like you, then home school them or send them to whatever cult school you like. This is a public school, for everyone.

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jetbag513 t1_j80z6kq wrote

Let me guess who that includes: Black, Asian, Hispanic, addicts, gays, trans, homeless, poor, disabled.

Am I forgetting anyone?

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HectorsMascara t1_j810i3d wrote

SEL Competencies

  • Self-awareness
  • Self-management
  • Social awareness
  • Relationship skills
  • Responsible decision-making.

They didn't even have to read past the first one to get hopping mad. Apparently we've created machines that are now more self-aware than conservatives -- probably make better parents too.

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puresugarstick t1_j812eec wrote

But teaching kindness, compassion, empathy, honesty, etc is biblical lol It's the actual teaching of Christ. It's a shame I know that and yet I am not Christian, but then again I have actually read the bible unlike them.

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puresugarstick t1_j812u25 wrote

>Our kids need to be able to learn to think for themselves and not be told how to think and feel.

That's funny coming from the type of parents who file these lawsuits.

And they don't want morality taught in school yet they want the bible taught. I'm just confused. lol

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TGIIR t1_j814ylf wrote

I went to Catholic school. The Jesus they taught us about was a kind, loving man. My Dad once asked me how I got so liberal. I told him he was the one who sent me to a religious school. Not all Christians are stupid, hateful jerks.

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ieatpotatochips t1_j816eiy wrote

> one of the parents asserts to West Shore school officials that her conservative religious values conflict with the Character Strong lessons – which are intended to teach compassion – because “not every human is deserving of my child’s empathy.”

There you go folks. Another example of conservative religious teaching.

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demonicego93 t1_j81aqmp wrote

So many of this countries problems can be linked to our "tolerance" of violent racists in the south and not occupying and stamping out every confederate sympathizer following the Civil War. There is absolutely such a thing as justified hate and intolerance.

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Guntcher1423 t1_j81g372 wrote

A conservative religious group wants to teach that not everyone deserves honesty. I guess that is why they are such hypocrites. Apparently it is part of their "faith"

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Secsidar t1_j81i903 wrote

And we’re the last remaining superpower?

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reddit_mouse t1_j81jbfg wrote

I love how the school leaders read the curriculum at one of the Board meeting to show there was zero chance the concerned parents would have their tender little snowflake feelings hurt and that the curriculum contained absolutely zero contamination from Critical Race Theory or similarly dangerous ideas. All to no effect; the rabid “Mom’s for Liberty” continued to froth their unfounded tirade of lies.

It’s all a coordinated distraction. By being so ridiculous in their logic, conservatives force their opponents into having to explain the obvious to these dipshits — meaning the right controls the conversation. Each time they pull this stunt is that much less time there is for meaningful issues to come to light.

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reinventme321 t1_j81jsud wrote

I often find it difficult to muster up any respect, empathy, honesty or kindness for people that act like this.

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Thehardwayalltheway t1_j81kqgl wrote

"Not every human deserves empathy."

Jesus would be so proud of his followers

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Atrocious_1 t1_j81ldy2 wrote

>conservative religious values conflict with the Character Strong lessons – which are intended to teach compassion

That really is all you need to know

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polgara_buttercup OP t1_j81so8k wrote

Some comments from the petition they have asking for people to support this lawsuit are straight off the M4L playbook, with variations of “it’s indoctrination, kids should just learn to read and write, they’re teachers not counselors, I will decide what values my child learns” etc.

If you’re inclined to read more for educational purposes only, you can find their petition on change.org.

Personally if you’re that opposed to having thoughtful, kind and inclusive children then homeschool them or pay for private school.

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CovidCat8 t1_j82ntbz wrote

The end goal is to destroy public education. Make no mistake. This is driven by greed, first and foremost. The people leading it are useful idiots at best. Toxic and vicious idiots with a lot of money propping them up. Remember Betsy DeVos? This is her wet dream.

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SolutionsExistInPast t1_j82q12o wrote

Attention attention America this is your new Mom and she says…

No. No you don’t have to have compassion and you don’t have to have empathy.

——- weeks and years later ——

Person A: Help. Help me. I’ve been robbed. Person B: Hmm I wonder what that’s like being robbed. Oh well. Person C: I think they’re bleeding. Person B: So. They should do something about it.

IF THERE ARE ANY TEENS LOOKING YOUR PARENTS HAVE TURNED INTO NAZI’s.

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SolutionsExistInPast t1_j82qbxm wrote

Oh I’d be flattered if the empathy concern was for Gays like me. It’s not. They don’t want their kids feeling sorry for non-white Americans who were beaten and denied equal access by their grand parents and how they voted.

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ktappe t1_j83ugov wrote

Not only that, but of course they assume it will always be their child getting to decide whether to dole out empathy. Never occurs to them it might ever be their kid in need of empathy.

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jessie_boomboom t1_j844wlv wrote

The take umbrage to the notion that morality is secular. They like to steer the narrative as if there is no universal baseline right or wrong. They want it to be only Christians (whatever weird specific bullshit flavor they prescribed to ) are right. Everyone else is wrong.

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Dense_Strawberry_522 t1_j849j3a wrote

Hey all 👋. Actual real life Christian here, and I have been screaming for public education to put these sorts of programs (values based) into the curriculum for a decade. I can confirm the other commenters that these parents do not follow Christ. They are just plain dumb. As a Christian and a psychotherapist the values being taught here are essential to navigating this secular and hedonistic society in a successful manner. Shame on these parents, they do not represent anyone but themselves.

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Dense_Strawberry_522 t1_j849k6b wrote

Hey all 👋. Actual real life Christian here, and I have been screaming for public education to put these sorts of programs (values based) into the curriculum for a decade. I can confirm the other commenters that these parents do not follow Christ. They are just plain dumb. As a Christian and a psychotherapist the values being taught here are essential to navigating this secular and hedonistic society in a successful manner. Shame on these parents, they do not represent anyone but themselves.

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Dense_Strawberry_522 t1_j849lpc wrote

Hey all 👋. Actual real life Christian here, and I have been screaming for public education to put these sorts of programs (values based) into the curriculum for a decade. I can confirm the other commenters that these parents do not follow Christ. They are just plain dumb. As a Christian and a psychotherapist the values being taught here are essential to navigating this secular and hedonistic society in a successful manner. Shame on these parents, they do not represent anyone but themselves.

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Dense_Strawberry_522 t1_j849rba wrote

Hey all 👋. Actual real life Christian here, and I have been screaming for public education to put these sorts of programs (values based) into the curriculum for a decade. I can confirm the other commenters that these parents do not follow Christ. They are just plain dumb. As a Christian and a psychotherapist, the values being taught here are essential to navigating this secular and hedonistic society in a successful manner. Shame on these parents, they do not represent anyone but themselves.

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Dense_Strawberry_522 t1_j849xr1 wrote

Hey all 👋. Actual real life Christian here, and I have been screaming for public education to put these sorts of programs (values based) into the curriculum for a decade. I can confirm the other commenters that these parents do not follow Christ. They are just plain dumb. As a Christian and a psychotherapist the values being taught here are essential to navigating this secular and hedonistic society in a successful manner. Shame on these parents, they do not represent anyone but themselves.

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Hazel1928 t1_j86kykj wrote

These people are not representative of Christianity or consevatism. A better example of conservatism and it’s success can be seen by comparing Florida with New York state. In the last 20 years, Florida has surpassed New York state in population, while having about half the annual spending. Florida also scores better on many measures of well being such as percentage of the population on Medicaid, life expectancy, and many other measures.

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okayestmom823 t1_j875lcr wrote

They are doing this everywhere. Currently fighting this with our school board. Now they are going after our suicide prevention programs and mental health access.

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Patiod t1_j8de7fr wrote

I'm a Quaker now, and my Catholic mother asked me the same question. I suggested that bringing a pre-teen to Vietnam War midnight peace vigils (why yes, my brother did have a crazy-low draft number) was probably a contributing factor to me, I don't know, supporting pacifism.

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