Submitted by susinpgh t3_10zsthg in Pennsylvania
No-Neighborhood-7264 t1_j85j48c wrote
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If everything is on the up and up, just have voter ID. Why does it take 2 days to count votes?
themollusk t1_j85jlry wrote
Because Republicans won't allow it to take less. Or only takes longer than a day because the PAGOP wouldn't allow for precanvassing.
Steelplate7 t1_j85slpd wrote
Mail in votes can’t be counted until the polls close. That means every person in the state who voted by mail, their ballots have to be fed into the counting machine. That’s why it takes days(and longer with close races).
Guess who came up with that one? The GOP.
susinpgh OP t1_j85jss5 wrote
Requiring Voter ID that has a fee attached is unconstitutional. If the ID that is required is free, then I wouldn't have a problem with requiring voter ID. It takes as long as it takes to make sure that every vote is counted.
BigMoose9000 t1_j85npe4 wrote
Then why won't the Democrats support free IDs? Life without an ID is next to impossible, the election security aspect is like the least of the problems it would fix.
susinpgh OP t1_j85rqbf wrote
IIRC, when the PA GOP proposed instituting voter ID several years ago, PA democrats said yes, with the caveat that the ID be free. The PA GOP refused that caveat.
For me, it all boils down to any kind of barrier to voting based on paying for the right, or having to pass a literacy test, or having to pass a history test.
Flimsy-Lie-1471 t1_j85xm3x wrote
“Election security“ is just fascist dog whistle for voter suppression.
BigMoose9000 t1_j85yvxg wrote
Most of Europe, not to mention Canada, require an ID to vote - not "make it easier with an ID", it's a hard requirement.
How is that requirement fascist here, but nowhere else?
ieatpotatochips t1_j867ipe wrote
Since you are using Canada as an example here are the list of IDs that are acceptable to vote in Canada.
Notice it’s a very long list of IDs and how many of the IDs listed would be free or something you already have because your a member of an organization or make use of some specific service that an organization provides. It’s a very comprehensive list that makes a wide array of options available to Canadian voters and ensures that as many people as possible can participate in the election and not be left out. This is the opposite of what’s generally proposed by the GOP. In our country the voter ID that is proposed is usually either a drivers license, which is not free but also not something everyone who is voter eligible can obtain. They also propose a regular government ID, again something that id not free and unavailable to some people who should be allowed to vote. Or other times they propose a whole new voter specific ID but again something that is never proposed as free and comes with new rules about who is eligible which would again exclude people who should be eligible to vote.
Flimsy-Lie-1471 t1_j86p14c wrote
Do they charge for the ID q-tip? Think long and hard before you lie to me.
BigMoose9000 t1_j87gns1 wrote
WikiSummarizerBot t1_j87gp6w wrote
[Canadian provincial and territorial photo cards](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_provincial_and_territorial_photo_cards#:~:text=A card valid for a,for a fee of $20.&text=Seniors do not pay a renew fee.)
>In Canada, provincial driver's licences are the primary form of government-issued photo ID. Most Canadian provinces produce photo ID cards for Canadians who do not drive. A common feature of these cards is that it cannot be held concurrently with a valid drivers licence.
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Diarygirl t1_j88rc1u wrote
They don't require registration ahead of time.
Finrodsrod t1_j88adjb wrote
So you're proposing increases in taxes to make this possible?
BigMoose9000 t1_j8a7fft wrote
Nah we can shift money around from elsewhere - maybe blow up a few less kids in the Middle East and use the money we save on missiles.
rivershimmer t1_j85oo11 wrote
I have no problem with voter ID in and of itself; however, Republicans have been using the issue as a tool of disenfranchisement. Until that ends, I'll fight against changing the methods Pennsylvania has been using securely for years now.
>Why does it take 2 days to count votes?
Because of the concessions the Republicans in the legislature demanded when it comes to counting mail-in ballots.
ImperatorTempus42 t1_j85rrm4 wrote
Because unlike countries like Brazil, we have a major political party dedicated to making voting as hard as possible for people. Brazil held its presidential election via phone-based voting, and their country didn't collapse. But no, we have to do it in person on a shit weekday most of the time. Also, voter ID ought to just be your state ID or license, not a specific seperate ID, which also sounds unconstitutional.
DeHizzy420 t1_j85tc5f wrote
See? Right there.... You don't know what you're talking about... Republicans are the reason it takes so long to count votes...
Flimsy-Lie-1471 t1_j85xdio wrote
Tell me you hate America without telling me you hate America. You fascists are disgusting.
69FunnyNumberGuy420 t1_j89of2u wrote
Voter ID is already required. This meme that anyone can register and just roll into a poling place and vote without ID is a lie.
> Why does it take 2 days to count votes?
Wait until you hear how long it took to count votes historically.
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