Submitted by Pennzingers t3_11a0zl9 in Pennsylvania
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flaaaacid t1_j9p5nwe wrote
Sounds like the free market in action. Cry more, bigots.
Twinbrosinc t1_j9p7bli wrote
It's funny when people cry about corporations being "woke". It's just capitalism.
reverendsteveii t1_j9p8t1g wrote
can anyone r/OutOfTheLoop me?
ThePopeJones t1_j9p99jd wrote
Came to ask for more info too.
I know this is the school district that elected a bunch of maga nut jobs for the school board, but beyond that I dunno.
Edit: Googled it and found out that the PR firm they hired dropped them because they were basically indefensible. The school was paying the PR firm $15,000 a month plus expenses.
Lawmonger t1_j9p9ehr wrote
I think they can hire someone to do the job internally for less than $15,000/month. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/central-bucks-school-board-hires-public-relations-firm/ar-AA10mLHi
ThePopeJones t1_j9p9pgf wrote
Found this on the subject. It would seem that the school board thought that throwing money at a PR firm would somehow make people think they aren't a bunch of backwards homophobes.
DelianSK13 t1_j9p9wcb wrote
Did some quick googling and found some articles. It's about what you would expect in today's environment.
An overview.
Newer article about book bannings.
Ok_Season_5325 t1_j9paiow wrote
Good, hope you all lose your jobs.
fallowcentury t1_j9pavh1 wrote
it's crazy! people don't like fascism.
mattd1972 t1_j9pb63d wrote
Could it be that we’re embracing batshit positions?
No, the PR firm not covering for us is the problem.
thenewtbaron t1_j9pckwp wrote
Oh probably but I bet it is going to be rolling dumpster fire if that is the case.
Sherlockbones11 t1_j9pcmgv wrote
They hired a PR firm. $15k per month out of Philly. Why? The board is loaded with trumpers and are actively ripping rights from LGBTQ and POC kids. They have an open ACLU complaint. Banning books about the holocaust. Etc. The PA state collection of school boards has publicly and officially condemned the board.
Their solution?
Hire a PR firm at double a teachers salary to make them look good
That PR firm, finally realizing this is a bad professional association, dissolved the partnership
I highly doubt it was “mutual” as described. But PR firms don’t want to blast their previous clients publicly - it’s not a good look for future clients
VanceAstrooooooovic t1_j9pdjbn wrote
Lol principal Skinner
Canopenerdude t1_j9pduxq wrote
> Hire a PR firm at double a teachers salary to make them look good
I can assure you that 15k a month is much more than double a salary for a teacher in Central Bucks
MajinSkull t1_j9peq9i wrote
Ha ha ha get fucked losers
flaaaacid t1_j9pezmo wrote
People who complain about "woke" can't give you a definition of it.
P3as_And_Carrots t1_j9pf2sn wrote
For real. That’s $180,000 per year! They could have used that to better the education of the students and give teachers better pay.
Canopenerdude t1_j9pf7lv wrote
But of course they won't because paying teachers better is too woke
P3as_And_Carrots t1_j9pfefx wrote
Lawmonger t1_j9pfjh6 wrote
It's not already a rolling dumpster fire?
FawltyPython t1_j9pg0sf wrote
Fully loaded, including benefits etc, that's probably correct, maybe even low for 2 teachers.
Canopenerdude t1_j9pg8xy wrote
The average teacher's salary generally tends to sit between 50 and 60k a year. You're telling me that their benefits are worth 120k a year?
Edit: Here's a list of starting salaries for teachers in PA, if you want to depress yourself.
PencilTucky t1_j9pgcot wrote
All you fascists bound to lose (your PR firms). Capitalism can suck it, but it is enjoyable when bad people get to see how the free market operates in their own interests instead of those of their clients.
Knoblord_McCheese t1_j9pgdp7 wrote
Yeah, most people draw the line when you start picking on kids. What's a PR firm really going to do for you at that point? How are they going to make that look good?
LOERMaster t1_j9pgoqd wrote
It is nigh on impossible to remove a school board member before their term is up. There are only three ways:
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Resignation
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Death
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Court order by a Common Pleas judge removing the board member for cause
Dyerssorrow t1_j9pgqqr wrote
your argument only works if they have 1 teacher.
Excelius t1_j9ph0po wrote
I am curious about the alleged harassment and threats towards the PR firm.
Sherlockbones11 t1_j9phb2b wrote
Me too. I searched but couldn’t find any info posted on it yet.
FawltyPython t1_j9pi4mp wrote
Nah like 60k a year direct, then add 20k for ira, healthcare, training, etc.
rottknockers t1_j9pigcp wrote
Or define much else.
Canopenerdude t1_j9pj6sk wrote
80k a year then, that's just under 7k a month, even two teachers at that is less than 15k a month.
MoreHeartThanScars t1_j9pjgta wrote
The best part is they justified that $180k/year by stating that hiring an in-house full-time PR person would cost more than that. I'll let you in on a secret, it doesn't.
phillyburbsbikedude t1_j9pkjqv wrote
Fascists are upset that nobody likes them
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gneightimus_maximus t1_j9plpne wrote
And because our courts are also stuffed with nutjobs…
kormer t1_j9plqai wrote
If you need to resort to bullying and intimidation to make your point, you're probably on the wrong side of history.
Booplympics t1_j9plvbn wrote
Said it before and ill say it again. A school district shouldnt need a PR firm.
drunkmonkey176 t1_j9pn34r wrote
Trash can only be trash.
BukkakeKing69 t1_j9pnndq wrote
Teachers in my lower bucks district were making $70 - 90k at the high school level, some in the six figs, about ten years ago.
Teachers in the PA Philly burbs generally make good money.
Fearless-Ear2352 t1_j9pnzuf wrote
Cbsd are the biggest cry babies. Encourage kids not to go to trade school and ship them off to college so their numbers look good.
FranklinsDog t1_j9po6qi wrote
Are you referring to people bullying and intimidating the PR firm, or the school board bullying and intimidating LGBTQ and POC students?
nouveau_user t1_j9povip wrote
after all the bad press, what college is going to accept a kid who was (mis)educated there
SamuelLCompassion t1_j9poxda wrote
If the Central Bucks School District is banning this quote from Elie Wiesel's 1986 acceptance speech for the Nobel Peace Prize for a book about the Holocaust from appearing on a sign in their school's library, they're definitely on the wrong side of history:
>I swore never to be silent whenever and wherever human beings endure suffering and humiliation. We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.
crazypants9 t1_j9pp08m wrote
They don’t care about learning or teaching or the students. They are puffed up fascists who want to control and insert their rottenness into everything.
LoveMyFuckingLife t1_j9ppf5b wrote
Lol!! True.. my Trumper aunt loves to call everything “woke”.. I’ve asked her what it means to her, being “woke” The only thing she’ll use as an example is BLM. lol!!!
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defusted t1_j9pplag wrote
This thread gives me hope for bucks county.
jamesvabrams t1_j9ppume wrote
They could have banned more books and denied equality for even more LGBTQ kids for that kind of money. Surprised the Trumpy assholes didn't think of it.
Adept-Ad-661 t1_j9pqizd wrote
Plus they charges crisis fees on top of it - pretty sure their last invoice was approx $60k for a month of work.
Aezon22 t1_j9prmox wrote
When his head explodes, can you be held accountable for a crime?
berraberragood t1_j9prs9s wrote
Actually, a significant number of the high schoolers spend half their school days at Middle Bucks Institute of Technology to learn Trade School stuff.
berraberragood t1_j9ps2c7 wrote
Or election. 3 of the 6 in that majority will be up in November, and all are running in regions that Biden carried in 2020.
thenewtbaron t1_j9psb93 wrote
Fair but if you have crazy book banning theocrats that are trying to skirt the lines to not have the federal government come down... and they get to talk for themselves... they will totally show.
tsg5087 t1_j9psjd5 wrote
Don’t forget that districts have to send 34% of wages to PSERS because PA has neglected to ensure the retirement fund is adequately funded. That’s just retirement folks, do not forget to include healthcare claims , most districts I believe are now self insured.
Edit: spelling
palpatinethe2nd t1_j9psl60 wrote
This is such a CB moment
KW4 t1_j9ptx8b wrote
This has nothing to do with the free market. The PR firm, which doesn't necessarily share the same sentiments as the school district, is being harassed by by the very group that claims to be tolerant and civil.
It once again just goes to prove that both sides have absolutely no qualms with resorting to these antics.
Jeffy3 t1_j9pu465 wrote
Just goes to show it's easy to run on these imaginary problems but once the dog has caught the bus .......
Weary_Ad7119 t1_j9pu5ug wrote
Not that I agree that a school needs this, but a well connected pr person will cost far more than 180k/yr. Yes you can hire someone with good ideas for cheaper but the ability to get your message out in the main media channels consistently requires networking, clout, and will cost you A LOT more than 180k.
Again, a school doesn't need that shit.
Jeffy3 t1_j9pudqh wrote
These "Teach Don't Preach" dopes cannot even really articulate what the alleged problem is.
berraberragood t1_j9pvyr5 wrote
They already had a Communications Department for stuff like this. They decided they needed more.
flaaaacid t1_j9pwgbr wrote
I notice, too, a total lack of evidence that anyone intimidated the PR firm - other than BucksCo saying it happened. Sure, chief.
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KW4 t1_j9px5by wrote
Weird take. Not sure that’s something I’d find particularly funny but you do you.
MoreHeartThanScars t1_j9px6w0 wrote
They can use paid distribution services and hire a skilled copywriter for far less. This is just another example of gross misspending by yet another Pennsylvania school district.
RealLiveKindness t1_j9px7je wrote
This is a case of folks sabotaging the SD & the district trying their best to cope. The authoritarian fascist creeps want to destroy education because smart folks don’t vote for idiots.
Fearless-Ear2352 t1_j9py6ec wrote
Not how it was when I was there. Hope they changed their tune
minneapple79 t1_j9pybgh wrote
Yep, I remember reading the most senior teachers at Neshaminy were making nearly six figures. I would not be surprised at all if Central Bucks teachers were making more.
bharedotnet t1_j9pz0u2 wrote
The board is so inept, I am surprised they did not hire a new PR firm to help with this announcement.
Canopenerdude t1_j9pzfsg wrote
Neshaminy starts at 45k, so you'd have to be working a long while to get to six figures.
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EricRower t1_j9q03yh wrote
This should be getting more ⬆️
drxdrg08 t1_j9q1osr wrote
> Nah like 60k a year direct, then add 20k for ira, healthcare, training, etc.
Nah. Not even close.
For regular programs, $93,753,240 for salaries, $57,724,761 for benefits.
Benefits are 62% of the salary.
>Highest salary at Central Bucks School District in year 2022 was $225,000. Number of employees at Central Bucks School District in year 2022 was 1,432. Average annual salary was $89,910 and median salary was $94,472.
https://govsalaries.com/salaries/PA/central-bucks-school-district?year=2022&page=2
The median salary is $94,472 and $58,573 in benefits = $153,044 total compensation.
Canopenerdude t1_j9q3ick wrote
Huh. Strange that two official sites would give such different info.
BukkakeKing69 t1_j9q454m wrote
That's the starting salary for the lowest level teaching job there is.
You can find the total collective bargaining agreement easily online and see the pay bands. Most teachers at the high school level have a decent tenure built up and pull in close to $90k. The pay scale tops out at $111k for advanced degree holders with tenure.
Canopenerdude t1_j9q4cct wrote
That makes a little more sense. I still think the starting wages are criminally low, but that does help some.
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EmergencySundae t1_j9q557z wrote
CRSD was paying their communications person somewhere in the $100-120k range the last time I looked. Add in benefits and I can believe it might make more sense to hire a firm - for a bit more you get a whole team instead of just a single person.
Fall3n7s t1_j9q5a9t wrote
I mean, why would a school even need a PR person?
Drewcifer81 t1_j9q5ngh wrote
Yet I'm sure they, and all that voted to put said board in place, would claim to be fiscal conservatives.
drxdrg08 t1_j9q62g8 wrote
> Just a small correction from your link, $122,004 as the highest salary - not $225,000. All the other numbers look good!
$122K is the highest salary on page 2. The superintendant is on page 1 at $225K.
There is a math teacher making $166K in just salary, or $269K with benefits.
FawltyPython t1_j9q6hqr wrote
Holy shit. Imma be a high school teacher next year.
EmperorOfNada t1_j9q6jnh wrote
Why does the govsalaries link show differently for highest salary?
BukkakeKing69 t1_j9q6ylo wrote
You can find many total collective bargaining agreement easily online and see the pay bands. Most teachers with decent tenure and those with advanced qualifications pull in close to six figs or over it.
drxdrg08 t1_j9q73ro wrote
It appears to show the highest salary on the currently selected page, but the average and median is calculated across all pages.
drxdrg08 t1_j9q7ilh wrote
Get your degrees, certs, be good at your job, put in a couple of decades to get the experience. In short, work hard, then you can...
> There is a math teacher making $166K in just salary, or $269K with benefits.
jicket t1_j9q7jd4 wrote
I can't believe I had to scroll down so far to see this comment. 100% correct.
BukkakeKing69 t1_j9q7qcu wrote
The starting salaries are low, the reality is many suburban teachers have golden handcuffs and a lot of tenure, so they are more focused on negotiating the upper end of pay bands than focusing on starting salaries.
The unfortunate reality is many teachers get their start in less competitive crapola school districts like the Philly SD and then run for the hills of suburbia as soon as they have some experience.
flaaaacid t1_j9q81ds wrote
Both sides is what's funny to me. One side banned books, the other side said "don't represent people who ban books. Banning books is bad." But yeah, both sides. OK.
Garbage_will_not t1_j9q8a9n wrote
Central Bucks is garbage. Maybe the board shouldn’t be politically motivated to attack kids. I hope that district reconsiders the actions that it’s allowed their board members to take. Disgusting.
ILikeMyGrassBlue t1_j9q9man wrote
I’m gonna guess that it’s probably just people calling them out on social media for doing PR for book banners.
KW4 t1_j9qa5ge wrote
It’s one thing to say “don’t represent people who ban books” and another to harass and threaten. The latter is also illegal. You can try to manipulate, boil it down, and turn a blind eye to it all you want but it doesn’t change the facts of what’s happening. The narrative here is constantly that violence and harassment is a staple of the right and yet here is yet another example of that not strictly being the case.
beef_is_here t1_j9qan7o wrote
Those figures include administration. And those numbers would be significantly skewed by the administration's inclusion. It is more likely the person making $196,000 a year is the district superintendent, not a teacher.
flaaaacid t1_j9qazrb wrote
The people who banned books said it happened so it must be true.
minneapple79 t1_j9qbfyq wrote
If you click on individual teachers, you can see their salaries.
For example:
TheWiseAutisticOne t1_j9qbi2t wrote
My question is if they are causing this much trouble (the school board) how did they even get elected in the first place? Last I checked aren’t school boards voted on by parents.
EmperorOfNada t1_j9qbsp6 wrote
Ahh, thanks! I couldn’t see that on my phone. Just looked it up on my PC and can navigate/see it much better.
TheWiseAutisticOne t1_j9qbyq2 wrote
Probably the poor LGBTQ student who has both decent grades and put up with this
KW4 t1_j9qcd41 wrote
Nice deflection!
flaaaacid t1_j9qci6l wrote
Not really. I'm literally saying that I think it's bullshit, and I don't believe them.
KW4 t1_j9qcuwa wrote
You’re deflecting in order to not address the point at hand. I’m sure the PR firm who was raking in easy cash from the district just randomly decided to part ways for no reason whatsoever… yeah that sounds about right. Use your brain, even a little bit.
Edit: I can’t reply for some reason, but the argument here is not about whether it’s right or not right to ban books. People obviously can have differing opinions there. The point I’m making is that, especially on Reddit, we love to believe that harassment and violence comes from just one side. This is yet another example of that not actually being the case.
Folks from both the left and the right have a tendency to resort to to these tactics when they feel disenfranchised. You can choose to believe it or not but the proof is right here in the pudding.
Pennzingers OP t1_j9qdbj8 wrote
Because there are two billionaires willing to fund these people when school board races are usually apolitical races
Madame_Hokey t1_j9qg9m3 wrote
Teacher pay scales also heavily depend on getting those extra degrees. In order to maximize potential pay and get a bigger pay band you have to keep going back to school. Most students don’t realize their teachers in suburban schools have at minimum one masters degree but some of my coworkers have 2 or 3 or even doctorates.
Yagsirevahs t1_j9qgjz3 wrote
Long story short, Devine + Partners refuses to partner with you no matter the cost.
TheWiseAutisticOne t1_j9qgmr1 wrote
And yet people still voted for them and their shit policies
EAGLESRCHAMPS18 t1_j9qgrrb wrote
Isn’t it not their decision? Kids are free to choose to attend BIT at their own will
Pennzingers OP t1_j9qh8am wrote
Also, Republicans completely made up the bullshit around CRT, raised stupid money off of it and put it into school boards around the country.
Obviously it caught everyone off guard because they're small races that were apolitical. Central Bucks looks sane compared to Pennridge, a few miles away, because Pennridge is packed with Q anon believers and people who went to Jan 6th
jralll234 t1_j9qhdnr wrote
My wife’s (a Pa teacher) health insurance is listed at something like 40 grand, on top of the 60 some grand she makes in actual income, in one of the poorer districts in the state. So 120k doesn’t seem like much of a stretch in some districts.
MajinSkull t1_j9qi03f wrote
Your ignorance is what’s funny
GeesKicks t1_j9qil64 wrote
OR...maybe they realized that doing business with fascists is bad PR and therefore bad for the PR business they are in. That's a reason and not random.
Kneedeep_in_Cyanide t1_j9qjxmn wrote
"Woke" is bad, yet Qanon is always screaming they need to "wake up the normies"
IamSauerKraut t1_j9qnnf5 wrote
>That’s $180,000 per year!
So much with being fiscally conservative. Wasting taxpayer $$ like that. gah!
IamSauerKraut t1_j9qnuz9 wrote
>why would a school even need a PR person?
There are plenty of reasons. And many SD's have a PR person. But doing it the way the CB school board is doing it and at that price is absurd.
IamSauerKraut t1_j9qnxuy wrote
>hire a skilled copywriter
A copywriter is not a PR person. Very different skill set.
IamSauerKraut t1_j9qo7xq wrote
>Neshaminy starts at 45k, so you'd have to be working a long while to get to six figures.
No, not really. Using steps and columns (extra ed + years in service), a new teacher can easily go above 50k for the school year.
IamSauerKraut t1_j9qofn6 wrote
>I still think the starting wages are criminally low,
CV is a bit lower than the Philly burb districts (lower even that Hershey or MT) but the cost of living in the midstate is much lower than in the burbs.
IamSauerKraut t1_j9qonci wrote
58k in bennies is off.
IamSauerKraut t1_j9qoybc wrote
Massive waste of taxpayer $$. Seems the conservatives on the SB do not know how to be fiscally conservative with other people's money. They should all resign.
IamSauerKraut t1_j9qp809 wrote
Those 3 are first up in the May primary. Now is the time to get the 10 signatures needed to put yourself on the ballot for May. If you get more votes than 1 of those 3, there is one down.
IamSauerKraut t1_j9qpe29 wrote
Penn, Temple, Villanova... more than we care to know.
ItsjustJim621 t1_j9qtdm0 wrote
Wow…these fucktards really put out a letter that basically is nothing but gaslighting
Eggbread_69 t1_j9qwdtd wrote
Exclude Philly , Pittsburgh, York etc and the average skyrockets
raven4747 t1_j9qydr9 wrote
yea i think my SD started teachers around 50k but gave them a 3-4k raise every year. so if you stay 10 years you are making 80-90k.
tbrummy t1_j9qzc3d wrote
Anyone running against them is bombarded with non stop harassment and death threats. It’s hard to find anyone willing to put their family and sanity at risk for a school board seat.
smbiggy t1_j9r12xl wrote
Banning books about the holocaust? Do you mean all books about it? I remember hearing about a teacher having to remove a poster that had to do with the holocaust but I missed the books. That’s fucking terrifying
Empty_Nest_Mom t1_j9r14vg wrote
CBSD has become an embarrassement of a shit show! We live in a neighboring district and the garbage happening in CB is a constant reminder that local elections matter!
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v_squared96 t1_j9r4lec wrote
That high salary is almost twice the highest paid teacher. “Average” is highly skewed because of that. I believe the starting salary is 47k. I work in the district… 20+ years. Our salary schedule taps out at 116k. It sounds like a lot but I’m in my mid to late 40s, have a masters plus 30 credits and can’t move to other districts since most don’t honor your years of service. There are people I know in “marketing” in there 20s that make as much as I do with bonuses. I’m not complaining but the community brags about the great education, but many teachers can’t afford to live in the district.
tyrael459 t1_j9r6dy0 wrote
I think the implication is that they still have their communications person, but then they also hired this PR firm, so kind of an added cost whereas internal rearrangement or something could have been much less expensive.
Maybe they fired the communications person you’re speaking of when they hired this firm?
Hot_Bottom_Feeder t1_j9rb3kd wrote
This SD's punctuation is horrible.
drxdrg08 t1_j9revq3 wrote
> have a masters
I hope you are not teaching math.
> That high salary is almost twice the highest paid teacher. “Average” is highly skewed because of that.
Look again.
> Average annual salary was $89,910 and median salary was $94,472
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yeags86 t1_j9rin2l wrote
A whole team who collectively probably spends less time working on it than a single employee in a given month.
yeags86 t1_j9rjfdc wrote
Except that is literally the free market. You think there are actual rules to it?
yeags86 t1_j9rjwyk wrote
They never did know how to. Republicans claim to be fiscally conservative but history shows they are the exact opposite. They don’t care if people suffer, as long as it isn’t happening to them, or at least it being worse than other people for various, mostly hateful reasons.
fire_stopper t1_j9ro6m2 wrote
I’ll add that the current MAGA board was elected during an “off-year,” election, where usually only the zealots come out. Hopefully the residents suffering next door to my school district learned their lesson and come out to vote or mail it in next time.
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v_squared96 t1_j9rz37c wrote
Ha. If the median salary is 94k, half the teachers make less than that. I would like to see what the “teacher” pay average is when admin is removed from the calculation. I would imagine the 225k is the superintendent. 116k is about half that. Like I said, the number sounds big compared to districts not in Bucks county. But, cost of living in Bucks around Doylestown is nuts. Our EAs and support staff get paid squat and the building couldn’t run without them.
Shad0wSmurf t1_j9s5721 wrote
How'd they communicate this?
The way they wrote ..."[A]t best caustic" would be defined as in a sarcastic manner.
They basically just told us that the interactions are at best, sarcastic, and at worst malicious . Well, that's kinda a normal scale I'd say...
jonathanzhang58 t1_j9s9bg0 wrote
Hey, I'm a senior at CBSD. The teachers make a lot of money. Their salaries are public information because CBSD is a public school. Although newer teachers usually make around 60-70k, most if not all of the older teachers (45+) make 6 figures. Guidance counselors make 100k. Principals often make around 150k. The average and median salaries at the district are both around 90k. Not attacking you or defending CBSD's awful recent behavior. Just saying they pay the teachers a lot.
Blexcr0id t1_j9t0bva wrote
That's one admin salary...
ElenorWoods t1_j9t3rff wrote
Pay a PR firm $180,000 a year? Could’ve gone to the teachers.
jeanlouisduluoz t1_j9t9nic wrote
New homes in the CBSD area also cost 700k
couchgodd t1_j9ti7bn wrote
If you dont take the woke ideology completely down your throat you will be punished. Ever heard of maoist china and struggle sessions this is the beginning of that in our own american way. So gross.
Lil_Phantoms_Lawyer t1_j9tl4yk wrote
>Gender identity and sexual orientation are not belief systems. And by conflating Pride flags with the expression of religious or political affiliations, the majority members of the school board are discriminating against LGBTQ students. The purpose of Pride flags in classrooms is not to endorse an identity, but to offer safety.
That's an incredibly weak argument. It is not dangerous to ban Pride Flags from the school classroom.
Sherlockbones11 t1_j9tm2xi wrote
As an LGBTQ person who almost killed herself multiple times over what I later found out was just a complete and utter lack of representation and a feeling of safety in places I spent the most of my time as a child (i.e. school), and per countless peer reviewed research studies from prominent institutions - I will have to not only disagree with you but inform you with sources and facts that you or are dangerously wrong about this. Please lower your voice before you get someone killed.
Lil_Phantoms_Lawyer t1_j9tpdt2 wrote
>who almost killed herself multiple times over what I later found out was just a complete and utter lack of representation
When I was 19 I attempted suicide and was found bleeding out in a bath tub. I ended up in-patient for several months. It was a long road to recovery, and there were times I thought and believed "if only X was different this wouldn't have happened" but the reality is, while there were external pressures it was an internal struggle made up of many factors. Suicidal depression is not single faceted, and while you may contribute the lack of Pride Flags in your school classroom, it isn't why you almost killed yourself. That simplifies your situation, I wish you the best on the road of recovery.
Friendly_Kangaroo871 t1_j9tpffh wrote
What was the communications firm supposed to do? Defend the banners?Or defend the curriculum? Support mob rule? Teach civics to the parents? I don’t understand what the task was that they were unable to do.
Pennzingers OP t1_j9tqfun wrote
They should have told the school district "thanks but no thanks" and refuse to work for thugs attacking lgbtq students
susinpgh t1_j9tr6fh wrote
I don't see the comment that you are quoting here. And the comment you are replying to has not been edited.
Lil_Phantoms_Lawyer t1_j9trb6g wrote
That's from the article they shared justifying why it's dangerous to remove Pride Flags from classrooms.
susinpgh t1_j9trkx4 wrote
Ah, okay. But still, it's not saying that removing them is dangerous. I think of this the same way that things changed when POC were included in graphics in books and posters. It's an acknowledgement that you are seen.
I don't think the schools can really do much more than that, unless it's an intervention in a situation that endangers a student.
angry_smurf t1_j9tvpon wrote
Not sure how it is now, but 20 years ago when i was in school they told me if i go to trade school i probably wont get into college. I still went to trade school as well as college, but it seemed strange to me that i was swayed against the trade school.
Zenith2017 t1_j9twcbq wrote
Woke ideology? Nah fam. Queer people exist, that's a fact and not up for debate. Trying to represent history as if we don't exist is just refusing to teach reality.
RuinTop1965 t1_j9twxm1 wrote
yikes you really are an incredibly awful person
Lil_Phantoms_Lawyer t1_j9tx797 wrote
Yeah, you're correct it's not fair for me to say they called it dangerous when they didn't use that word. The article is still hysterical about it imo:
>The Pride flag ban in classrooms is already having chilling consequences, not just on the LGBTQ community.
I understand your point of "feeling seen" but that does sound like the Pride Flag exists to endorse an identity which is exactly what the article says it doesn't do.
Lil_Phantoms_Lawyer t1_j9txk4d wrote
19 year old me would have agreed with that, but I do not think I'm an awful person now that I've spent years on my recovery.
Why do you think I'm awful?
susinpgh t1_j9txu1o wrote
Yes, I guess I've moved the conversation, didn't I? FWIW, I'm sorry for what you went through. I don't think a flag would have helped in your situation. I hope you are able to heal.
Lil_Phantoms_Lawyer t1_j9tyats wrote
Moved how?
But I agree, a flag wouldn't have changed my internal turmoil. It took years of consistent and intentional actions and redirection. I still have low days of course, who doesn't? Pain and discomfort is a part of the human experience.
susinpgh t1_j9u1c4o wrote
Not everyone. You are justified. I always think of this scene from As Good As It Gets, when Jack Nicholson talks about how a lot of peoples' stories are all good times, noodle salad. It's a way old movie, but I still really love it.
Lil_Phantoms_Lawyer t1_j9u5yfw wrote
I love that movie (and specifically that scene) as well! I think that's definitely true, there are people who have great enjoyable lives and its all noodle salad, but even they have bad days and tough times. Every person that has ever lived has felt some level of pain, but certainly some muh less than others.
Fearless-Ear2352 t1_j9u6tce wrote
They sway you not to like the comment above says
Lawmonger t1_j9u6wxt wrote
How many proposals by students, teachers, or administrators have been shot down because there's no money for them in the budget?
im_at_work_now t1_j9ud3h3 wrote
Or just... don't ban fucking books. You expect people to not get livid about that?
Sillycats2 t1_j9uw05b wrote
In the old days? To handle requests from the local media for a variety of stories, such as covering the school play, science fair, elementary school event, exceptional students and access for sporting events. Also to inform news agencies of said stories, be a spokesperson for the school in the event of a crisis or emergency, coordinate interviews with principals or the superintendent.
These days? Run interference so none of the admins or elected officials have to speak to the press. And even then, they usually hide, too. Trump’s taught everyone that ignoring the media and taking offense to anyone who DARES to question an elected or appointed official is perfectly fine and should come with no consequences. School boards in PA, many of which have always been hives of power-hungry Karens and Kens, are on steroids now.
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IamSauerKraut t1_j9vb1wk wrote
Just because an item is a proposal does not mean it needs adopted or funded.
Twinbrosinc t1_j9vckow wrote
I feel like elon is an outlier. He isnt really a company.
Lawmonger t1_j9virwa wrote
Yes, but blowing $15K on PR a month certainly lessens the resources that could be spent, don't you think?
IamSauerKraut t1_j9vwiaz wrote
I think. And I read. And I've been pretty clear about how I view the PR firm as a waste of taxpayer $$. Does that $$ need to be spent elsewhere? Not necessarily.
shirleychief t1_j9w1rlp wrote
I love Bucks County and have looked to move there but will not buy in that school district with those Christian Nationalist knobs in power. I hope others, like me, will vote with their wallet until these regressionists are out of office, off school boards, and screaming into darkness.
bharedotnet t1_j9wn9at wrote
The GOP are only fiscally conservative when Democrats are in the White House.
flaaaacid t1_j9wodn0 wrote
Can you define woke for me? I don’t know what it means.
ArcherChase t1_ja8mpfa wrote
When property value dips because people won't send their kids to that school distrixt when people may wake up.
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