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Chemical_Miracle_0 t1_j8tbjco wrote

Good. Every time I bring up the fact that we should abolish the death penalty I get mocked for being a bleeding heart liberal. Honestly that isn't the case. I couldn't care less if a mass shooter gets put to death. What I do care about is the wrongly convicted getting murdered by the state. Death is kind of an irreversible process, and I don't know why anyone would trust the justice system THAT much. Plus it's almost always cheaper on the tax payer to pay for someone to spend life behind bars then the cost of putting someone on death row. No seriously, if you haven't already, look up the cost of putting someone on death row vs. life in prison. It's mind boggling.

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Canopenerdude OP t1_j8tf18f wrote

I get insulted when anyone calls me a liberal. I'm a leftist, thank you, those so-called liberals are practically centrists

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106473 t1_j8tzmp7 wrote

What about only applying the death penalty to the most heinous of crimes (mass murderers etc), skip the death row and straight to firing line?

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tkm1026 t1_j8uc364 wrote

There's no way to do that without shredding due process, unfortunately.

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106473 t1_j8uekem wrote

Explain

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badatmetroid t1_j8uly3e wrote

Since 1973 at least 190 innocent people have been executed. Those are just the one's who could be proven innocent after the fact. If you decrease due process, you increase the number of people who get executed before we can figure out that they were wrongly convicted.

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/innocence

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tkm1026 t1_j8ukrtk wrote

Due process- a course of legal proceedings according to rules and principles that have been established in a system of jurisprudence for the enforcement and protection of private rights.

So, to be clear, all suspects and convicts are given the same rights. The court system works off of existent precedent quite a bit. So those rights aren't just established by some written-as-a-whole document (though that exists per state and federal level) but also by what courts have decided in the past.

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106473 t1_j8vve0y wrote

You still failed to explain the lack of due process of how if one was sentenced to death for mass murder as the jury would go over the evidence and come to the conclusion of a guilty verdict and how the perpetrator would be given the death penalty and promptly executed how that would not be due process.

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ButterShave t1_j8w4qf0 wrote

People are falsely convicted all the time. You need to allow for appeals to at least attempt to weed out the false convictions before you get to the punishment phase, especially when that punishment is irreversible as is the case with execution.

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tkm1026 t1_j8wvaye wrote

Kk. Simplified in such a way my 11 year olds could understand. The rules only work if they're equally applied to all suspects and criminals. Once a single review of evidence becomes enough to kill a person, it becomes enough to kill the appeals process altogether. What with how dead people don't get appeals.

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Chemical_Miracle_0 t1_j8wedfg wrote

What about simply locking them away without parole allowing for an easier conviction and less taxpayer dollars spent for essentially the same outcome?

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akadmin t1_j8tj9gj wrote

Interestingly enough the death penalty is a very effective deterrent in countries like Singapore who have very low crime rates.

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FarmersHusband t1_j8u29ir wrote

It isn’t though. Singapore has a very strict cultural observance of shame and a strong sense of community.

But I’m guessing you already knew that, what with vast knowledge of the place.

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akadmin t1_j8u7tlp wrote

Yeah, culture is toxic in the US. No sense of shame whatsoever.

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