Submitted by ImperialIIClass t3_11bko7f in Pennsylvania
Er3bus13 t1_j9yp5er wrote
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Sure pay the state and lose your rights...
Critical_Band5649 t1_j9yvnv8 wrote
Not everyone gives a fuck about owning a gun. I'd rather live without chronic pain than have the right to buy a gun that I'll never purchase.
Er3bus13 t1_j9yw2ur wrote
If you are ok with signing away your rights that's fine. Not everyone is looking to do that and pay the state for the privilege. Shit should be legal across ed the board period.
insofarincogneato t1_j9z6vv0 wrote
I've yet to see prolific gun rights organizations support change in this law because they are Republican backed and the party has an anti weed stance. Going against their Republican donors would be suicide.
Maybe until it's legal across the board we should be convincing republican lobbying groups disguised as gun rights groups to actually advocate for freedom.
The GOP doesn't have a monopoly on gun ownership, make groups like the NRA more appealingš¤·
Jerryjb63 t1_j9z7tww wrote
Just the people that are realistic and donāt want people that use drugs to have access to firearms. To be honest, I bet if you had a similar law with guns and alcohol, gun deaths would be severely cut. Having people use a depressant that impairs judgment and giving them a gun is a recipe for suicide or violence.
Expandexplorelive t1_ja2n8cw wrote
You're sorely mistaken if you think cannabis has a comparable effect to alcohol on someone's propensity for violence.
Jerryjb63 t1_ja5ilnq wrote
Youāre sorely mistaken if you think cannabis effects everyone the same.
Expandexplorelive t1_ja5jwgi wrote
Where did I say it does?
Jerryjb63 t1_ja7zjue wrote
When you say āif you think cannabis has a comparableā¦.ā
That implies that alcohol effects everyone worse than cannabis and thatās not always the case. Especially if you have a first time user with mental health issues. Iām a daily user of cannabis, but letās be honest about it. Itās not for everyone.
GoodLuckWithWhatever t1_ja2x35j wrote
You obviously know nothing about cannabis if you think cannabis and guns are a recipe for disaster.
Alcohol is the real problem but thats legal so we ignore it.
Jerryjb63 t1_ja5igcm wrote
I use cannabis daily. I also sold guns for 3 years at a gun store. I also think that things only change through compromise, and I donāt think itās ridiculous to not want people using drugs around gunsā¦
Also, my point was that alcohol and guns do cause a lot of deaths. I know of at least 3 people personally that have killed themselves under the influence of alcohol. If we had a law that prevented people from owning guns that drank heavily or have depression it could prevent a lot of suicides (think red flag laws which many places are now implementing).
Mijbr090490 t1_j9yzh15 wrote
You can own a gun. Just can't buy one unless you want to lie. They can't access the MMJ database for a background check. You can buy long guns private party with no background check. Keep your card tucked somewhere safe unless you are getting from the dispo and don't have it on your person when in possession of a firearm.
MaybeADumbass t1_ja0amov wrote
>They can't access the MMJ database for a background check.
For now. That was changed by an executive order from Wolf. It can be undone in an instant by any other governor.
You cannot legally own a gun in any state if you use cannabis because federal prohibition makes any user a prohibited person.
joeco316 t1_ja11x2m wrote
How would this actually be enforced? For the purposes of this question, letās assume that the mmj database remains how it is now, inaccessible. Letās say someone owns guns and has a medical marijuana card and medical marijuana. How would this violation be enforced, and by whom? Can local police arrest you for violating a federal but not state law? Can they ācall inā feds if they discover this violation? Assuming you donāt have federal law enforcement officers investigating you for another reason, how would you come onto their radar?
MaybeADumbass t1_jaafzac wrote
I'm honestly not sure. I think it's automatically illegal to possess a gun by PA law if you are a prohibited person by federal law or something like that but I am not a lawyer. I know that if you fail a background check the prosecution is done locally under PA law so it would make sense.
I would assume then that being caught with weed and a firearm in PA could be prosecuted even with a MMJ card, since you're a prohibited person by federal law. Supposedly just having a valid MMJ card (from any state) is evidence that someone is a user, so likewise I think being caught with just an MMJ card and a firearm (e.g. in a traffic stop or a visit to your house for something unrelated) could be prosecuted.
I don't know how likely that would be, but If I had an MMJ card, I would absolutely keep it 100% separate from anything firearm-related all the time. That's not a risk I would take but I'd guess most people would be OK for years.
What I would truly worry about is if the PSP were given access to the database again.
They already have access to the database(s) of people with a License to Carry Firearms . If they had access to the database(s) of MMJ card holders, it would be a pretty simple task to compare the names on one to the names on the other and see who lands on both. Anyone with an MMJ card older than their LCTF has automatically committed a felony and they have their signature on the proof. They can be prosecuted with just a little bit of paperwork. Everyone else could have their LCTF immediately revoked at least since they're known to be prohibited.
I'm not sure what they are allowed to do with the record of handgun transfers, you'd have to ask a lawyer. It wouldn't be hard to match people up, but I don't know whether they could prosecute you if you had an MMJ card when you did a transfer, but it's also a felony since you lied on the form and that would technically be proof. I think they could more easily prosecute anyone going forward. It probably wouldn't be difficult to link the MMJ database(s) to the PICS check and fail you when you try to buy a gun. If they didn't do that they could still easily cross-reference afterward and prosecute you just as easily.
I don't recommend owning firearms and holding an MMJ card at the same time, but if someone decided to do it, I'd suggest not buying any handguns or new long guns and absolutely not applying for (or renewing!) a License to Carry Firearms as long as you hold it.
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