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chansigrilian t1_jar1zp9 wrote

Informative article, thanks for sharing.

One line gave me pause:

“It will not be easy to interpret the results of the testing for dioxins in soil”

Can someone eli5 why the results will be difficult to interpret?

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random6x7 t1_jar93nf wrote

Maybe because they won't know for sure if the contamination comes from the derailment. East Palestine was an industrial town back in the day, so there's probably all sorts of nastiness still around.

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NoResponseNecessary t1_jardo38 wrote

Because there’s no baseline to measure against. If the air/soil/water were consistently tested it would be a different story.

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hahahoudini OP t1_jary55u wrote

From another article:

Further context reveals that the EPA previously claimed they wouldn't test for dioxins because they hadn't tested for baseline levels in East Palestine prior to the crash, making the cause of current levels uncertain; a rationale that at least one scientist refers to as "lame."

"Our toxicologists are taking a look. Unfortunately, we don’t have any baseline information about the levels of dioxins which are produced also by wildfires, by backyard grilling, by a host of other things,” Shore said. Lester says he has no knowledge of backyard grilling producing a dangerous amount of dioxin. “I’ve never heard anybody, any researcher talk about cookouts. Because that’s an infinitesimal concentration, if at all. Because dioxins form not just cause there’s burning, you need a chlorine source,” Lester said.

Lester says even if there is no baseline from prior testing to compare levels, the EPA should still be able to do testing to determine if the level that’s there is a risk."

Source

This whole incident casts a lot doubt on the integrity of the EPA.

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axeville t1_jash8g1 wrote

Asking the company to test is like asking a burglar to dust for fingerprints. Nope didn't find any all good.

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wagsman t1_jarpcfz wrote

Probably because he believes there were already dioxins in their soil to begin with. So there's no way to know how much more was introduced due to the derailment.

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wagsman t1_jau0gnf wrote

They are already planning on it and it appears they have a way to get a control by testing nearby soils that wouldn’t be contaminated by the derailment.

https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa-requires-norfolk-southern-sample-dioxins-east-palestine

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pekepeeps t1_jau72sh wrote

This is what happens when administrations constantly yank back and forth on serious agencies we need. No political party should be allowed to say- let’s protect the super rich instead of water

Republicans constantly get people to vote against their own damn water and clean dirt and soils in their yards to garden.

The EPA The USDA The FDA

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