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remembersomeone t1_jcllhnd wrote
There’s plenty of supporting evidence for this. When you come home from work you run errands for the next day, do housework and maybe get an hour or so to relax before bed. Gotta go to bed early since work is early the next day. Gets even more complicated if you’re someone who has family to take care of with extracurricular activities or someone who is aging.
It’s just… work, get ready for work the next day, repeat. Until the weekend, where you catch up on personal chores you couldn’t do during the week — if you’re lucky enough to not work weekends.
It’s exhausting.
No-Setting9690 t1_jclnipk wrote
Employers are not as they usually have to pay the same 40 hours for 32 hours if they are going that method.
I work in a company that cannot operate on 4 days, we need to do 5. You guys like to have access to your medical customer service, so this is what's required. We cannot do 4 days. Our costs would go up to cover the 5th, we would pass that along to our clients, who would pass that along to the customers. In the medical field we cover, profit margins are very thin and there is no room for this.
Do I support a 4 day work week, fuck yea I do.
Illustrious-Elk-8525 t1_jcloqk5 wrote
I’m a 12 hour shift worker doing a minimum of 48 hours a week. I don’t see this happening for industrial employees or 24/7 operations. In your place, since 5 days would be required, would it be possible to work employees for less hours for 5 days? Just out of curiosity. If there was a 32 max work week, could the same job be done in 6.5 hours a day instead of 8?
[deleted] t1_jclosp5 wrote
We are going to get paid for 40 though, right? It's kinda why most people work over 40, for the money. Not just for fun.
smartstreetballer25 t1_jclp1cd wrote
🙏🏼
Flimflamscrimscram t1_jclpnac wrote
Is it impossible to keep the same number of workers and stagger the schedules so that all five days are covered but every individual only does four of them?
moderately_random t1_jclpo5c wrote
Still fighting with boomer managers and ceos that WFH is beneficial. They’re gonna take some real convincing for this.
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ieatpotatochips t1_jclr5gz wrote
Probably.
Edit: I hit send on accident. I meant to say it’s probably possible. It might require some creativity and flexibility but no reason why it can’t work out. I’ve seen it done in various call center situations before without a loss in service or productivity.
No-Setting9690 t1_jclthhu wrote
Call center hours, we must be open. Customer services positions just cant do that. I'm operations/IT. I'm here before and and after everyone. Wish I could do less than 10 hours, is what it is.
Illustrious-Elk-8525 t1_jcltohz wrote
I think the downvotes are from workers who genuinely don’t understand that some things can’t stop. Not everyone works a remote office job
linkdudesmash t1_jclttqd wrote
Good luck with that lol
metracta t1_jclu2ew wrote
I’d support a 32 hour work week that was mostly in person (for most industries). Obviously some jobs can easily be done 100% remote, but I think we underestimate the value of human interaction. There is a lot of flexibility with many jobs though
No-Setting9690 t1_jclu5kb wrote
Oh I get it. Let's look at it realistically l. Let's say they cut hours for a certain business, well now they may not be open that extra day..it will cause inconvenience or an in flux in the days they're open. Causing more work in a reduced time.
EmiliusReturns t1_jclvkau wrote
Great in theory but my fear is that they’ll just cut my hours and I’ll end up getting paid less. Unless employers are legally mandated to keep pay the same I don’t see anyone willingly paying people the same to do less hours, and they won’t want to shell out for overtime either.
I would love 3 day weekends but I’m pessimistic that it would actually end up being a good thing and not just end up docking everyone’s pay.
SixethJerzathon t1_jclw3ql wrote
No. There's enough conservative morons in PA voting against their own interests to keep anything progressive from happening.
EmiliusReturns t1_jclw42z wrote
The 40 hours work week was designed for an era where only one spouse/parent had to work and could support his family on a single income and the other one was able to stay home and do all the domestic labor and child rearing so it didn’t end up piling up at the end of the week.
In this day and age when both people have to work it becomes really hard to keep up with it. I don’t know how people with kids to do it. It’s hard enough to stay on top of my 2-adult, 1-pet household.
I don’t know what has to change to fix this but shit, something does.
RecommendationAny763 t1_jclwckw wrote
Profits margins low? In American healthcare? Are you serious?
Integer_Domain t1_jclwnj1 wrote
Depends. It’s a relatively easy problem to schedule a sufficient number of people into a 40 hour week such that each person only works 32 hours. It gets harder as you add variables like budget, time off, holidays etc., but it’s not impossible. I guarantee you that companies don’t want to contract mathematicians to figure out their scheduling, though 🤷🏻♂️
rubikscanopener t1_jclx2i0 wrote
What are we? France?
No-Setting9690 t1_jclxzlx wrote
We're not the provider or insurance company. We are a 3rd party billing company. Yes, profit margins are small. In our collections agency, it's even smaller, with 100x more regulation. FDCPA, FCRA, TCPA, HIPAA, PHI, etc.
Dispatcher12 t1_jcly4yc wrote
I had a schedule for awhile that was four on and three off and it was nice in some ways, unfortunately it was still 40 hours and two of the shifts were 12s. But having three days off is nice.
defusted t1_jcly6lt wrote
As long as there are Republicans in office this will never happen. Despite all the evidence from other countries that show this makes workers happier and happy workers are now productive.
VenomB t1_jclynpw wrote
Considering a lot of info is coming out showing that WFH isn't that great for the employer, chances are you aren't going to.
VenomB t1_jclyqga wrote
Yeah, when I see this I just wonder if they forgot how wages work...
throwawayamd14 t1_jclzile wrote
Pretty low chance
Skydog57 t1_jclzv8x wrote
You know there will be some additional layer of fuckery, companies will find a legal exploit to reduce wages if they’re forced to reduce hours
Inert_Uncle_858 t1_jcm08cc wrote
The only way I'd be okay with this is if they still pay us for 40 or realign our hourly so that it equals what we were making per year per hour. Otherwise you just know this is a pay cut.
GroGungan t1_jcm0h3p wrote
LOL what info?
MomsSpecialFriend t1_jcm0jkx wrote
I like how they say they are testing it in Bucks county, then right below is a link to a news article titled “there are two millionaires to every 1 homeless child in Bucks county”. They don’t really mention how much the tax credit is for but it sounds like people with cushy jobs in nice areas are about to earn their companies money by working less.
PeaceFrog3sq t1_jcm0ux3 wrote
We have implemented a 4 day/32 hour work week at our office and it works great. We have had this in place for a year now. We are a small office but we pay our employees as though they are working 5 days/40 hours per week and we provide healthcare. Productivity has not dropped and quality of life is way up. That one day a week makes a huge difference in people's lives.
or10n_sharkfin t1_jcm18hx wrote
> WFH isn't that great for the employer
How terrible for those poor employers to not be able to afford rent. Maybe they should pick themselves up by their bootstraps and stop buying all that avocado toast.
ProleAcademy t1_jcm2ibt wrote
Citation needed
Pink_Slyvie t1_jcm3bql wrote
That's the thing.
My only employee interaction was via our internal chat software.
Then I worked remote, literally nothing changed, but I got my commute back.
moderately_random t1_jcm5nim wrote
Cites an article from Washington Post ghost written by Bezos, saying WFH employees slack off as they don’t need to ask permission to use the bathroom
Olive_Mediocre t1_jcm5sko wrote
Yeah right. They can't even raise minimum wage, you think companies are going to start paying people 40 hrs worth of wages in 32 hours? They don't care how much it benefits them, their employees, or society.... if people aren't slaving away they might get ideas that there is more important stuff than working...
tyleritis t1_jcm6hhk wrote
Yeah it’s not great that the employer doesn’t pay for my electricity, coffee, water and sewer, internet, office furniture, etc.
All while getting more productivity out of me.
tyleritis t1_jcm74mo wrote
I’m in a 2-working adult, one pet household. I got injured and we had to hire a house cleaner. It was hard before but then it became impossible
mattmoltzen t1_jcm759n wrote
Fuck yeah!
vinnie5451 t1_jcm7xfc wrote
Great 8 hrs less pay is always awesome
theSG-17 t1_jcm84gi wrote
Hopefully you go out of business.
Fucking leeches.
[deleted] t1_jcm89gu wrote
I know. I feel like this is meant for the rich. No way middle or lower class could survive on 32 hours a week.
theSG-17 t1_jcm8f10 wrote
>Unless employers are legally mandated to keep pay the same
If this isn't a loophole-free portion of any 4 day/32 hour workweek bill then our congressmen are dumber than I already think they are.
DeliciousBeanWater t1_jcm8l0r wrote
At my job, i have a 3-day, 32-hour work week. The way they do it is one 8-hr shift, and 2-12hr shifts. We get paid flat rate for the 8 hr shift and time and a half for the 2-12s. So effectively we work 32hrs and get paid for 45.
[deleted] t1_jcm94df wrote
That sounds ok
googlebearbanana t1_jcmaczf wrote
And still have insurance coverage right?
schu2470 t1_jcmb3lj wrote
A 3rd party company between the provider and insurance? Sounds to me like needless waste. Cut out the middleman and pass on the savings. Hospitals already have billing and collections departments.
Roxmysox68 t1_jcmbfzw wrote
Sounds like an awesome ass deal to me lol id be down with that
No-Setting9690 t1_jcmbzyj wrote
Hospitals normally do not have collections. It's an industry that requires experts, they do not normally have the technology as well. We do not bill for hospitals, we specialize in ambulance billing. They do not have the staff for it, as they're typically volunteers, paramedics, chief of fire, etc. This is who we bill for. We recover 2x for them over themselves doing it.
You want savings? Stop having people go to the ER that does not need it. 90% of what walks in the door is urgent care or less. Stop having people take ambulances as a taxi and then don't pay for it. In PA, nonparticipating insurances send the checks to the patient not the provider. Gotta be some dumb kickback there, it makes zero sense. Patient cashes and keeps it. These trips then do not get paid, and costs for other trips must go up to offset.
System is jacked, but a lot of it is because of the gov'ts rules.
No-Setting9690 t1_jcmcjwz wrote
You have zero understanding of what we do or who we do it for. We're the leeches??? There is trillions in debt in collection agencies and unpaid medical bills for chosen services and we're the leech? Please you're a child who knows nothing.
DeliciousBeanWater t1_jcmcsr1 wrote
The catch is i work overnight and only on friday, sat, and sun.
DelianSK13 t1_jcmcyxa wrote
Won't happen now but probably will within the next 20 years.
No-Setting9690 t1_jcmcz79 wrote
Look at all these downvotes. Doing actual work is frowned upon by users on Reddit. They think it's some evil thing to do. Because they don't know what actual work is and why we do it. Reason I'm banned from antiwork, cause I explained you have to work somewhere. Whether at a company or in the damn woods hunting, it's all work.
SeptasLate t1_jcmd0pd wrote
Yeah, it'll be great for salaried employees. Not sure how it translate to hourly.
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metracta t1_jcmezh6 wrote
Lol. It’s really shocking. My completely reasonable take has people foaming at the mouth
PotatoeyCake t1_jcmfs4n wrote
I know you guys will like it but it screws me over as an hourly.
H4l3x t1_jcmgl92 wrote
humans are absolutey awful. why would I want to interact with them?
Fine-Blacksmith-9330 t1_jcmgt2n wrote
Over 32 hours would be overtime?
H4l3x t1_jcmgt2x wrote
he said nothing about work ethic though... his backing for non remote is human interaction...
metracta t1_jcmgv27 wrote
You seem like you should work from home
schu2470 t1_jcmgvcc wrote
> There is trillions in debt in collection agencies and unpaid medical bills for chosen services and we're the leech?
Yes, you are. Medical debt in this country is a fucking tragedy. Most people go into medical debt to either save their lives or get treatment to prevent a disease from ruining their quality of life.
Chosen services. You're almost as bad as the fucking insurance companies who cause this mess.
H4l3x t1_jcmgz6o wrote
I do. It's great.
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xxdropdeadlexi t1_jcmj6j2 wrote
Plus From 1979 to 2020, net productivity rose 61.8%. It's not like we couldn't afford for people to work less.
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SpaceLord_Katze t1_jcmjn4v wrote
It won't matter, I would still need 5days to get my work done.
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Roxmysox68 t1_jcmkfry wrote
Yeah im going with nevermind on that as well, there is a specific kind of person that is built for nightshift and it sure as fuck aint me lol
No-Setting9690 t1_jcmlial wrote
You have no clue what we do. We specialize in insurnace follow up. If you're in healthcare then you should know better and understand this is how the place you work for gets paid. We do it better and cheaper than organizations do as it's all we do. If we dont do our job, you dont get paid. So if you're going to work for free, then I'll consider your input..but until then stop getting what we do from.tv or the internet. It's not close at all.
No-Setting9690 t1_jcmlonr wrote
Feel free to request this from the govt. We have zero say how this is done.
No-Setting9690 t1_jcmm78n wrote
Again, you have no clue what we do or who we speak too.
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sunflakie t1_jcmnna9 wrote
How does this work for teachers and other school employees?
lilpufferfish t1_jcmntf2 wrote
"insurnace" How can you specialize in it if you can't even spell it?
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avowed t1_jcmog2n wrote
Never, ever, EVER going to happen. Not really something that time should be spent on. Start with better wages, better health care, better workers rights, pro, child birth leave, etc. I'd rather have all of those than a 4 day work week.
Aezon22 t1_jcmoge6 wrote
So basically your entirely company… is just a middleman?
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WearySeaTurtle t1_jcmpzqv wrote
Most of my work gets done with days to spare. Luckily I'm not in the office so I can chill.
WearySeaTurtle t1_jcmq2li wrote
For those that have to id hope. I'm salary so it wouldn't matter.
AllAfterIncinerators t1_jcmqryt wrote
I slack off plenty and I’m in the office every day.
somberblurb t1_jcmqv5g wrote
I would support a requirement to keep pay the same, but even then businesses will catch up with this by slashing benefits or cutting raises until their labor costs balance out.
The only way this works is economics. Hopefully, if a law like this was passed, it would make labor more scarce, and therefore increase the price of labor. Supply and demand.
AllAfterIncinerators t1_jcmr68k wrote
Staggering schedules is a great way to piss off your employees with families. If I went on some kind of changing schedule, my kids couldn’t do sports, scouts, or music lessons without it being a colossal pain in the ass.
[deleted] t1_jcmr85b wrote
Thats another thing too. I am wondering if these guys are going to force us to work max of 32 hours or else punishment. Which is kinda scary.
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mainelinerzzzzz t1_jcmsljj wrote
No, you’ll get paid for 40 hours. Lol.
STLLC2019 t1_jcmsumq wrote
No, they call YOU and tell you to "street" the patient as soon as possible to avoid any further costs after the insurance company refuses to pay for treatment.
How else is the insurance company gonna see profits, after all?
Flimflamscrimscram t1_jcmta5b wrote
Maybe, but I think what people want more than anything is predictability. I don’t think it requires schedules to be different week to week. Yes, different employees’ work weeks look different, but they don’t regularly change which days they work. I admit it can’t work for every job, and but I think it could be good for a decent number of jobs of all kinds.
vinnie5451 t1_jcmte6x wrote
Yeah ok hows the government going my force a company to pay for hours not worked
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mainelinerzzzzz t1_jcmtujl wrote
I was LoLing about people working less and getting paid more. Not going to happen.
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TheJediJoker t1_jcmuah1 wrote
It's called Salaried They'll just hire people as Salaried to get around hourly limits
TheJediJoker t1_jcmuila wrote
Not likely
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shimrra t1_jcmxf3i wrote
It sounds like a great idea at first but part of me is wondering after a couple years will companies will only pay for the hours you work? I mean what's really going to stop these mega corporations from doing this? Also how would effect medical care, a bunch of places will only offer coverage if you work a certain amount of hours.
Knightwing1047 t1_jcmxrd2 wrote
IF they’re going to do this, and can somehow mandate it, they also need to mandate that pay should reflect the change and no one loses money in their paychecks. 32 hour work weeks sound great but people are struggling as it is. You really think businesses are going to technically pay people more to do less? This is America! Where your sole purpose in life is to keep the capitalist machine running while dreaming that one day you could become one of the elite.
BoK_b0i t1_jcn0ftp wrote
How tf would that help anyone but people in power? Cause I'm 17 working a partime job after school and I still work more than 32 some weeks cause I need the money. There's no way that the average person could survive comfortably on 32 hours if people are already needing 2 jobs to make ends meet
minionoperation t1_jcn0jq9 wrote
Insurance coverage starts at 20 hours at my corporate jobs I’ve had. Can’t say the same for everyone of course, but that’s pretty standard in my experience. For better or worse.
ExplorerCheap8515 t1_jcn0x3w wrote
Four ten hour days. Worked that schedule for about 20 years. You're not going to get paid for 40 hours unless you work the hours. I know there are alot of people that think that if you work four days at eight hours that you're entitled to a free 8 hours of pay. Employers will not tolerate that.
Playful-Excuse-8081 t1_jcn1py2 wrote
In a perfect world but unfortunately not in the real one we are all stuck in
AllAfterIncinerators t1_jcn3d2t wrote
Yes, predictability is key. I worked retail for a very long time and the unpredictability was awful. I loved Christmas season because it meant unloading a lot of trucks, and those shifts were always early morning and predictable.
Icy_Blackberry_3759 t1_jcn4951 wrote
I love my 4 day 40 hour week. Love it. I like the momentum of the extra hours, and with a three day weekend to recover every week? Shiiiiit I can waste all day Friday without ever getting dressed and I still have the whole weekend ahead of me
Icy_Blackberry_3759 t1_jcn4jcr wrote
I do 4 day 40 hour weeks and it rules. 10 hour days don’t feel tough at all because you only do four and have three day weekends every week. Hell I end up getting lots of overtime too, love it.
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BrandywineBojno t1_jcn5fw2 wrote
What's the job?
ThatAudiGuy92 t1_jcn5ybz wrote
As a single full time dad with a full time job, I am always busy and always tired. Get us ready for work/ school, work, get kids, cook dinner and do chores, have about one hour to relax, do it 4 more times. It's exhausting
AbbreviationsNo8630 t1_jcn67ok wrote
The sooner employers learn/accept that no one gives a shit about their business or their clients, the better. We there for money and nothing else, son. If you don't need to be in office, nix it if it makes a more happy, productive worker! Like Jesus. Give up the dying paradigm already. There's no reason work needs to be this homogenized thing.
RaccoonSamson t1_jcn769t wrote
That would kinda suck if they don't change a bunch of other shit.
working 32 hours at $10-$15/hr and having your employer cut you off at 32 instead of 40 so you don't get overtime is not a very fun idea.
DeliciousBeanWater t1_jcn87vu wrote
Manufacturing
muttonbarley t1_jcn8h2g wrote
They can't even get federal minimum wage past $7.25.
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C_N1 t1_jcn9u5y wrote
I would love this, but my question is, how will small town businesses handle this? Most struggle to stay open with limited customers in rural areas. And paying the same for less work will most definitely be a reason they end up closing their doors.
chaqalaqalaqa t1_jcnaahg wrote
The medical field shouldn’t care about profits.
We live in a dystopia
chaqalaqalaqa t1_jcnaeis wrote
By having the law say they have to.
Just like how they have to pay overtime.
metracta t1_jcnb7t9 wrote
I literally said the opposite of homogenized. I said employers should be flexible, some jobs should be done mostly in collaboration in person with other human beings, and some can be done totally remote. Jesus some of you people sound miserable
banhammerrr t1_jcndc0r wrote
This came up in a town hall at work this week. They straight up said they have zero intention of ever exploring that option.
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Doggfather1973 t1_jcne25j wrote
Yeah you'll probably work 10 hours A-day 4 days a week instead of 8 hours A-day 5 days a week
JesusOfBeer t1_jcnffer wrote
🤦♂️ people can still work a 5th day but at an OT rate. Win-win for everyone
_TheMeepMaster_ t1_jcnijpl wrote
No. But there are other solutions. Hire more people, for example... If there is enough work that one person has to spend that much time there, then you have enough work for two people.
ozzy_og_kush t1_jcnj8ks wrote
Yes please.
ozzy_og_kush t1_jcnjv15 wrote
Mentally challenging jobs like mine (software architect but I also do a lot of hands on coding) can be just as draining as the physically challenging ones. Decision fatigue can happen very quickly, leaving little energy left for chores or recreation. A 4 day work week would be a huge benefit for achieving personal goals that don't involve work.
PermissionToConnect t1_jcnmwll wrote
Honestly if salary was the norm and we raised overtime rules for people making no more than 50k, I feel that this would be much better received.
PermissionToConnect t1_jcnn0t3 wrote
You aren't kidding. Between commuting and then just wanting some down time before eating dinner, you have really no time to unwind from work. Two days off isn't enough.
PermissionToConnect t1_jcnn4sh wrote
They need to make everyone salary and then raise overtime rules so people making under 50k get overtime still. But of course, that would never happen and this bill is a pipe dream anyway.
picklejaropener t1_jcno70y wrote
TL,DR: No
rain6304 t1_jcnpzxd wrote
Except those in essential jobs. Food service. Health care. Etc. People want to work 4 day weeks themselves… but expect the world to continue turning when they aren’t. The fast food guy, the nurse, the doctor, the teacher - they all and many more essential and skilled workers deserve the benefits too.
HermioneGranger152 t1_jcnq01s wrote
Yeah I’d much rather they focus on raising minimum wage
point_breeze69 t1_jcnrj1c wrote
In the next few months and years a lot of people might not even have a job to be able work any hours a week.
I get that a 4 day 32 hour work week sounds reasonable, but this model is going to rapidly become outdated as automation renders entire portions if not the entire job a person has obsolete.
We should be focusing on something that is real and in our near future. Finding a way to distribute the unprecedented wealth and efficiency that will come from AI into the pockets of the increasingly unemployed masses instead of a few corporations.
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underscore5000 t1_jcnufwa wrote
Yeah until you miss a dramatic amount of stuff because of the 12s. Sounds nice, but it's not really.
hahahoudini t1_jcnv91k wrote
It's being accomplished in other parts of the country and other countries. Meeting every new idea with pessimistic cynicism is a good way to be a self fulfilling prophecy. At one point in America, people made your comment in regards to having a 2 day weekend.
courageous_liquid t1_jcnw5b8 wrote
capitalists would like to know your location
starion832000 t1_jcnwcdq wrote
Who the fuck is this for? Are you saying that we should get paid for one less day per week?
AlVic40117560_ t1_jcnxgmk wrote
That’s cool and all if a business wants to offer that, but what do these politicians have to do with that? Are they doing it for their businesses? Or forcing it onto companies/employees?
Retlaw83 t1_jcnxj4r wrote
>We're the leeches???
Yes. Medical debt happens either because the system is broken and those who need help can't afford it, unlike every other civilized country, or because someone forgot to pay a small bill they can easily afford and the hospital shunts it off to some sleazebag collection outfit instead of sending a second notice.
You're an IT professional. Have some self-respect and go work at a real company that provides a net good to society instead of being a bootlicker of the evil industry you work in.
Retlaw83 t1_jcnxxxa wrote
>In PA, nonparticipating insurances send the checks to the patient not the provider.
I live in PA and this is absolute bullshit. I have always received bills from my provider telling me how much I owe them that insurance does not pay.
gslavik t1_jcnyrep wrote
You are getting paid less than if you worked 48 hours.
gslavik t1_jcnysly wrote
Set full time at 32 hours and anything over that is overtime.
buddykat t1_jcnzdi4 wrote
Salaried does not necessarily mean exempt from overtime rules.
DeliciousBeanWater t1_jcnzef3 wrote
I personally like it.
TheJediJoker t1_jcnzxpr wrote
I can see that
TheJediJoker t1_jcnzz0c wrote
It depends on the contract
buddykat t1_jco0wy5 wrote
Contracts don't override Federal or state law. Which is very clear about the requirements for being considered exempt.
TheJediJoker t1_jco1gnb wrote
There are some rules, but Salaried don't exactly have limits on hours they work Most work 55 hours but if they happen to be a manager, they could work more when filling in
Wuz314159 t1_jco2n1l wrote
This means nothing to me. Other than I will be earning even less because I'll be unaffected. It's bad enough that grocery store workers now earn more than I do due to our union contract, but I keep getting left further and further behind b/c these bills are non-applicable to my industry.
Wuz314159 t1_jco2qa4 wrote
lol... I go into work on Thursday and don't leave the building until Sunday night.
Wuz314159 t1_jco2tzf wrote
LMFAO!!!!!!!
buddykat t1_jco3tuk wrote
I'm aware. I'm salaried and work 40-ish hours per week, but have worked more when needed.
Honestly, if your typical work week as a salaried employee is 55 hours, either your employer needs to hire more people, or you suck at time management.
Stonecutter_12-83 t1_jcogk4m wrote
As a person who works for the state and only works 37.5 hours, it is a HUGE paycut. I'm fine with 4- 10 hr days, but cutting hours is thousands per year
tube607 t1_jcohm8n wrote
I mean or we can stop being lazy and work to support your family…
Sushi_Whore_ t1_jcojys6 wrote
I mean— I’d be happy with this too lol. I’m a bit cynical that a 32 hour week is going to takeoff anytime soon but I’d just love the 4 10s option. This isn’t gonna be widespread in USA for at least another decade
DeliciousBeanWater t1_jcokmy1 wrote
I dont miss out on anything. I have 4 weeks pto and since my week is only 32 hrs i technically have 5 weeks. I also make $50/hr on the 12s
PatientNice t1_jcolkk8 wrote
There is no reason not to. Data shows productivity goes UP with a 4 day, 32 hour week with no reduction to salary. Only stone rigid old school types will argue otherwise. And there is the benefit of happier employees. It’s a win-win which of course will be shot down.
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innoutjoe t1_jcorre8 wrote
How about a 1 day work week and force another person to pay you for the whole week? Why not go all the way, make it a 0 day work week and force another person to provide for you. Think about it, you could just chill at home and have a bunch of people that are forced to cook and clean for you and do all of your work, how awesome is that?!
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ProleAcademy t1_jcowwnj wrote
Perfect lol
Then_Zookeepergame_3 t1_jcp3c2q wrote
Who benefits from this? Shorten our work week, pay us less money. And yet we have to babysit the machines that are taking our jobs from us? Again I ask, and who does this benefit? We all know! And it sure as hell ain’t us!
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insecurestaircase t1_jcp63vp wrote
Mine is 5 7 hour days at 35 hours a week but I will take 32 for 35 or 40 hour pay
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insecurestaircase t1_jcp6d11 wrote
I am.not doing 4 10s. As a paralegal the job can be so stressful that I can't handle it for more than 8 hours.
vinnie5451 t1_jcp75yy wrote
You work overtime how are they going to force a company to pay for hours not worked .What about places that don’t allow overtime or companies that don’t want to pay for the extra 8 hrs and stop overtime all together
chaqalaqalaqa t1_jcp7jea wrote
Don’t think of it as “hours not worked,” think of it as fair compensation for enough work.
The 40 hour work week was designed so one person could support a family while the wife (historically speaking) stayed home and kept the house and kids.
Now, typically both partners are working 30-40 hours a week. It’s time we the people took back the lifestyles the American dream was promised and stop working ourselves to death
shaneroneill t1_jcp7yd5 wrote
Short answer probably not
vinnie5451 t1_jcp82gh wrote
By getting 8hrs less pay for not working those hours got it not sure how the government is going to force someone to pay for wages not earned
Hazel1928 t1_jcp8swp wrote
And it might not be a 3 day weekend. They might want to keep staffed on Fridays, so some people get days in the middle of the week off.
chaqalaqalaqa t1_jcp8t72 wrote
By passing legislation that does so. I don't know the exact wording or mechanics, but there's a lot of things that companies "wouldn't do" unless they were forced.
We still have a vast majority of people in this state and country who don't have sick time. My partner is currently sick with Covid and can't take off work without being written up. It's a dystopia.
Intrepid-Bear t1_jcpbzdg wrote
When I opened my own business, I decided I wasn’t working 40 hours a week anymore. I was working 50 when I was working for someone else and being a single mom hauling kids to different activities. I usually work 35 hours a week now and have more time for what matters. I don’t want to remember my life for how much I worked, but for the time I got to spend with my kids and significant other. My boyfriend has taken to the same philosophy and is currently working part time hours over night on the weekends so he can spend most of the week with his 100 year old grandfather.
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PmButtPics4ADrawing t1_jcpfj05 wrote
This is how retail and food service places already operate. Most of the employees work part-time but the business is able to stay open all day every day by just scheduling people at different times
PmButtPics4ADrawing t1_jcpfztb wrote
>Unless employers are legally mandated to keep pay the same
If you read the article that's exactly what the bill proposes. It provides tax credits for businesses that do a 4-day work week without reducing pay or benefits
PmButtPics4ADrawing t1_jcpg94m wrote
Maybe try reading the article instead of just the headline. The bill wouldn't force companies to reduce hours, it just provides tax credits to those that do so without reducing pay or benefits. If your employer doesn't think they can cut hours without cutting pay they just won't participate.
>Three Democratic state lawmakers are hoping to make Pennsylvania a more appealing place to work. The trio has proposed a pilot program to supply tax credits to businesses that provide a four-day, 32-hour work week to commonwealth-based employees without reducing compensation or benefits packages.
yeags86 t1_jcpjzbm wrote
What family? My wife and me both work full time. We couldn’t afford having a kid if we even wanted one.
Rahawk02 t1_jcpk58q wrote
As long as I don't lose 20 percent of my pay`check
enemy_of_your_enema t1_jcpnmqw wrote
You guys - the answer to your questions are right there in the article!
enemy_of_your_enema t1_jcpnv03 wrote
Here's the co-sponsorship memo. There's no bill, so we don't know the details. But my concern is that a tax credit doesn't help employees at tax exempt orgs.
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Oh. Haha. We need a tldr on these posts.
docterry6973 t1_jcprgpn wrote
Wealthy interests own the PA legislature and will until the voters care about honest government. Nothing will change without that.
saintofhate t1_jcpu7yn wrote
You can't even afford to live alone with full time wages being so shit. No one is being lazy.
llamas1355 t1_jcpvs8s wrote
I work for an extension of the state and the day the state itself enacts this for its employees will be a cold day in hell.
Or0b0ur0s t1_jcpz2u6 wrote
People are currently working 50+ on a 40-hour schedule, and paid as if they worked something like 25.
Best case, they set it to 32, we end up working 45 and get paid like we worked 20...
Until the minimum wage goes up, nothing's going to make much difference. And even then, until and unless the Exemption threshold is both raised AND actually enforced, salaried workers will still continue being effectively 24/7 on-call slaves at whatever rate the owners think is good enough.
It's an idea whose time has long come. Unfortunately, it's putting the cart before the horse. Perhaps that's why the Oligarchs allow it to be considered. They know they can adapt to it and end up squeezing workers even harder in the bargain, somehow.
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25Bam_vixx t1_jcq5kf6 wrote
Please , please, please
tube607 t1_jcq72ag wrote
So working less will help you afford more?!
Doggfather1973 t1_jcqf27o wrote
Oh well If that's what your company plans on doing then you all have to follow Suit or Maybe it's time to start looking for another Job with another company Good luck
yeags86 t1_jcqhs1o wrote
Did you read the first two sentences of the article?
cyvaquero t1_jcsyet8 wrote
Yeah, nope. I did something similar as one of the shifts at a manufacturing plant. I called it the hell shift - two day time 8s and then two overnight weekend 12s. The ‘benefit’ was three days off but the fact was that your sleep rhythm was screwed for the six weeks you were on that shift, by then end you didn’t know if you were coming or going.
DeliciousBeanWater t1_jct5v9h wrote
Mine is permanant, no OT. Its not a swing or rotating shift. We dont have that issue. Plus the job isnt tiring. I do very little physical labor and have 4 breaks that range from 40min-1hr each. Plus theres a lot of times we dont even run. It can be quite boring
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cyvaquero t1_jcuo3n4 wrote
I was IT support, during regular day shift we did some office desktop support work but after hours and weekend was purely manufacturing control systems support (SCADAS, QA stations, production & EPA monitoring, etc out on the lines.
Like you not tiring, I enjoyed the work but it was feast or famine, and famine was boring. Add to that having to change sleep schedule mid work week made it a struggle to not fall asleep waiting for a call.
DeliciousBeanWater t1_jcuz3n2 wrote
Yeah luckily i dont have a change in my schedule
eltruteht t1_jd7px6k wrote
Because people are not smart enough to decide how much they want to work and get paid.
Only in the minds of politicians can people work less get paid the same and there’s nothing to worry about. The money just magically appears.
CptnLongJohn t1_jdk7wl9 wrote
Ha! I work for the post office, maybe I’ll drop from 7 days a week to 6 lol
Open_Veins_8 OP t1_jcljhtr wrote
Studies have shown that this shorter work week (with same pay) is a win-win because workers are both happier and more productive.