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And this is how you get people who believe the Holocaust is made up and the Civil War was the War of Northern Aggression. Fucking A

Students need to learn more history, not less.

Whenever someone says “Central Bucks has the worst school board!”, Pennridge takes that as a challenge.

>> It is unconscionable that five members of the Pennridge School Board would even consider sending our students out into such a world handicapped by a lack of education in the very subjects they need to navigate their future.

I’m going to take a wild guess and say that those five Pennridge school board members are Republicans.

Doesn’t make sense? What do they propose the students take instead of history?

Not such a wild guess. Consider also that Board member Joan Cullen is a Jan 6'er.

They probably want the students to spend some time reading Good News in the new study hall slot.

It’s suddenly making a lot more sense how Brian Fitzpatrick is elected every term, despite his lack of spine. It’s that magic “R.”

And elect someone like Trump.

This is insane. I work in Information Security, and trust me, the lessons learned in Social Studies are used all the time.

This is how dictatorships grow - dumb down the electorate.

Perhaps the Gospel of Q?

Maybe it’s a woke thing, they want them to take gender classes or some crap like that. I don’t know that school district or area too well

Woke? As in understanding that our society and the world is moving forward NOT backwards? Understanding that a woman should have control of her body in all things? Understanding that racism should have no place in our society? Understanding that trickle down economics is bullcrap? Understanding that there south half of this country started a war to keep slaves as their sole source of free labor? Understanding that there is more world than three US? That people should be able to love and be whomsoever THEY choose so that they can be happy? What part of woke don't you like our want to pass down to our children?

And what does it have to do with the dumbing down of our children so that the GQP has willing and uneducated masses that will continue to buy into the MAGAt rhetoric and FauxNews propaganda...

Yes... Maybe it's time to wake the fuq up...

There are no "gender classes" at the high school level anywhere, that's a myth peddled by the Right to drum up fear among their base.

In terms of what they would supposedly take instead, it's probably STEM related. A lot of people on both sides of the political spectrum have been pushing STEM in schools for a long time to the detriment of the arts and humanities, because it's seen as a more directly profitable skillset. What you lose, of course, is a well-rounded education, though many people don't seem to care.

Republicans are killing our education but even when I went 15 years ago I took AP Us and we never made it to Vietnam which was one of the essays on the test

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Exactly. Especially the history that makes so many far right Pennsylvanians uncomfortable because accurate history challenges their worldview

Wow you’re easily triggered Karen

The left has trouble accepting history also. They put today's standards on people that lived 200 to 2000 years ago.

Civics and logic should also be included alongside history, imo

Not science

Both extremes are killing education.

That seems like an issue of an individual teacher or the AP curriculum?

Oh 100% on mr j but still showing we were going to fail regardless. Pennridge went from being a reason people moved to the burbs to being a blight on the community.

That's pretty much the point, isn't it?

I don’t know man, I’m a dude and I find it a little scary you think the way you do. It’s dangerous for everyone except the super rich.

Change logic to critical thinking and add a few other focuses like geography, economics and anthro you get social studies.

Okay story time so a decade or so ago I was going to be a teacher. During my student teaching portion I made a work sheet for the class for students who were a little behind the oldest student was 18. This work sheet listed the leaders of WWII with instructions to fill in what they know about each. When I showed it to my supervising teacher she said and I quote "This won't work. You are going to have to explain to these kids who Hitler is." It broke me. I ended up dropping out due to a health condition soon after. The whole thing was a fucking diaster start to finish and in hindsight with my untreated anxiety and inability to say no without massive lev3ls of guilt I never should have been incharge of a classroom.

How's that?

If you dont know how I can't help you.

What’s the point in studying history if not to apply it to the present?

When Paul Clymer is the voice of reason we are well and truly fucked….

You dont "apply" it to anything. It's to learn what happened in the past, to shape the present. You don't condem them because they don't meet current standards.

Condemn who from what? They’re dead.

And you’d apply what you learned to shape the present.

Pennridge used to be a good school. I guess it still is. But I keep hearing stuff in the news like they're trying to be worse. World history is definitely deserving of its own credit. Lumping it in with US history is ignorant. So many Americans already think we're the center of the world and don't realize how much happens and has happened elsewhere with or without US involvement.

If they are dead, why the need to remove thier name and statues from the public square?

Oh, so you got nothing. That's what I thought.

The present is already shaped from the past, you correct it for the future

STFU you argumentative ass. Bs about semantics because someone removed your favorite confederate statue or whatever bullshit you’re on about. Go back to parlor

I got lots but its not worth my time if you haven't already a clue.

Because the public square should be for people who are admired in the community, it’s not a museum

Yes, Thomas Jefferson and George Washington were fine outstanding confederates /s

I'm sorry my opinion is different than yours but I won't leave reddit because you have an issue

I mean, you're replying to me, so that's clearly worth your time, but it's okay if you just made shit up and can't back it up. It happens. You have a great day!

Maybe you need a history lesson of all those countries in the past that removed history from the public square. It never ends well.

Have you ever been to Rome or Greece? They still have statues standing from thousands of years ago.

What like Germany? Iraq? Italy?

You’re just spouting garbage you Neanderthal

No like the Taliban.

Hmmmm I wonder how many of this board members are card carrying Republicans? Easier graduation requirements, less knowledge = more graduates get right to the workforce quiet and happy with crappy conditions and pay

They rose to power because we (The USA) trained them and gave them weapons.

What you call history is generational propaganda

They were there long before we trained them to kill the Russians in the 70s. They just expanded their territory after Russia pulled out.

The same happened in Cambodia during the 70s. There they condemned the older people to slave labor and concentration camps because they knew the history.

Or peoples actions from 20-30 years ago. “Oh, you’re joke was ok 20 years ago? Well it is offensive today. You’re “cancelled” you piece of shit.”

Yes, because 200 looks like 20 /s

Lmao this is supposed to win you credence?

This is why elections for your local school board are important, people. Otherwise you get a bunch of idiots hopped up on conspiracy theories sitting on the authoritative body that determines what your kids learn in schools.

Oh look, pennridge is at it again. Well it's easier to convince people that Hitler did good things for Germany if you don't have pesky teachers telling kids about all the evil shit he did. They can just keep saying "it's heritage not hate"

Lol "I'm gonna come in and say some dumb shit then claim I triggered the libs, I'm such a smarty boy"

😂😂😂😂😂

Pennridgw stayed open when most of Bucks lock d the kids out. Their students are already ahead. Guess they can afford another study hall

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Nah see there is a difference…those people will be remembered in history textbooks and museums where they belong, not to be celebrated in public squares or by having buildings named after them

I used to teach govt to seniors…I would give them the citizenship test at the beginning of every year…it was not very pretty

The Pennridge school board is aggressively dismantling public education. I wish I lived in the district and could vote these loons out when their term is up next year!!!

We need to end the practice in PA that school board members are non-partisan and run without party. You want Pennsyltucky red teachers make it clear that’s what your voting for. You want Pittsburgh suburb blue put it on your sign.

This is my alma mater, it would be sad to see the reduction in history for a group a students that already don’t get enough education on the subject

Nah, the people that help create this country should be celebrated, taught about and remembered. There's a reason older generation had buildings and places named after them.

It wasn’t ok then, and it’s not ok now. Let me know if you need help grasping that concept

No one who committed treason and took up arms against our country should be honored by having buildings or military installations named after them…the only honor they deserve would be having a latrine named after them. They should just consider themselves lucky the govt took a peaceful transition approach…every confederate should have been hung

I watch their school board meetings on YT. Which is kind of random cause I'm like an hour away and it's not like I'd ever be able to live the area. It seems like a really great school district with a lot to offer. The kind of school I wish I could have been able to go to back in my day. I don't get why this is being pushed so hard. Banis-Clemens keeps saying it's about giving the kids more of a choice. That the way it is currently limits their options especially for tech school students. But that doesn't seem to be a major issue for students as far as I can tell from watching. I saw when the teachers and current/previous students spoke out against this and when the social studies teachers explained how much this is going to effect the whole curriculum and how they teach all the way down to the middle school level. I didn't anyone speak in favor of it. Not only does there seem to be no real reason for it especially a good enough reason for such a big change. But it sounds like such a good overall curriculum that really gives them a good history education and history is important for all students.

Are these 5 members of the school board long standing community residents? Sounds like transplants that are so bent on moving into an area and destroying the strengths and pride that Upper Bucks school district once had years back. Too concerned in the size of the football field instead of the measurable size of the knowledge the graduating students enter the world with.

Please research John Taylor Gatto's work. Government schools are not for education. They are Prussian based outcome indoctrination programs designed to produce obedient, thoughtless, emotionless, and androgynous blind order followers in order to harvest energy from for the benefit of the Satanic rulers of this planet.

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History is to be learned from. Whether you like it or not it's there , you can't change it., rewrite or reinterpret it. It is what it is.

The Pennridge school board was infiltrated by the radical right. Multiple times they have had to change their own policies because their own lawyers tell them "you can't do that." That district is a shit show now.

John De Lancie wrote an autobiography? Cool.

>Pennridge community members have always valued an educational system that encourages students to achieve high levels of success.

Not enough to elect a school board that shares those values, apparently.

Hey man. I hope you find some schizophrenia meds that work eventually.

Who is talking about the Civil War. I'm talking about the people that made this country. You know Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln.

Oh and we needed the civil war to make it the US.

Meanwhile the right are too busy trying to be like people 2000 years ago and force those values onto everyone else…

lmao “Both sides are extreme but I’m not going to tell you why because I don’t know but eNiGhTenEd cEnTrIsM gUyS”

Because you don’t celebrate shitbags. That’s what got us to this fucked up situation. Yes we learn about them and how awful they are, just like Hitler, but we don’t celebrate awful with statues.

You never learned about them. If you did, you wouldn't refer to them as shitbags.

We wouldn't have gotten our independence from Britain without them. But go on with tour narrow minded view.

I see the current educational system is turning out some real winners. So we need to have a stronger Social Studies and Civic lessons.

There’s a big difference between the few isolated cases where people want to remove the statues of Washington or Jackson (who HAD SLAVES) because they believed in the horrific institution of SLAVERY.

CONFEDERATE officer’s were TRAITORS of this nation.

Emphasis added for your stupidity.

You meant to say Jefferson (who had slaves). Anyone who studies history knows he did. It wasn't uncommon for people to do that then.

Jackson and what he did do the Cherokee Indians is just horrible.

Jackson had slaves too.

I think you are talking about private school education where the kids are taught that they have no rights and won’t be believed when they are abused by staff.

"Antisocial studies" should be the new name of the Bible.

You watch too much fake news and it shows. Since when did teachers start class by saying "okay everyone, now pull out your monument to Jackson and let's begin." We use books, genius. Public places should be used to honor people whose values along with our society today. Don't get triggered because we decided to remove statues of traitors lmao.

I hope you switch on before things go loud. Please do some research on your own with the sources I suggested as a starting point.

I only mentioned Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln as people that shouldn't be removed. I'm glad you think I was talking about people I wasn't. I wouldn't classify those 3 as traitors but go on and give me a history as to why those 3 would be classified that way?

Fake news? Or propaganda? It's very difficult today to find real news sources that aren't trying to shape people's opinions instead of putting the information out there and let people come to their own conclusions. I'm old enough to remember what constitutes a journalist they are few an far between today. If they put out the real news they get hammered by either the left or right.

Republicans fear an educated population. Educated people demand more from their governments.

Where were statues of Jefferson or Washington removed?

Lol. Ok. In that case, the 2nd Amendment only applies to muskets.

Wait, I thought there were very fine people on both sides.

Muskets were military grade guns in their day.

The more people post in here the more it's evident that Social Studies is truly lacking.

You could Google that but they were removed in NYC and Portland.

I guess your not as informed as you think you are. Maybe it's your news source that's keeping you ill-informed.

Or believe the country was founded in 1619 and the police are all former slave catchers, and the native Indians were all pacifist farmers.

I don’t really have a consistent news source and I don’t feel any kind of way about missing statue news in general. However, I assume you are a states rights guy; a local, small government guy, but you want to judge these people for making a decision as a community? Washington and Jefferson did nothing more than create a tax haven for other wealthy white men. They didn’t care about any other demographic. They weren’t heroes. They didn’t do any actual fighting. They sent poor farmers to war on their behalf and ripped off the Magna Carta.

Washington had slaves too. His dentures were made from real human teeth pulled from other people… likely before they were dead. There weren’t any volunteers giving him his teeth…

"Likely" but no way to confirm that.

Yes he owned slaves but that wasn't uncommon for large property owners back then.

He also sacrificed much of his life for this country. He set a president by stepping down as a leader of a country which had never happened before. Was he a perfect person without flaws? Nope

If you dont know your past your bound to repeat it. And not in a good way

You really should do some reading on Washington. Your view of him would change after all the sacrifices he made for this country.

Yes, Washington did do fighting and those he lead volunteered to join they were only forced when they weren't being paid by congress when they were staying the winter near Morristown, NJ.

The Statues were removed by a select few not by the masses.

>who is talking about the civil war

>Mentions Lincoln

Schools don’t really get to Vietnam. US history classes normally top off at the Civil Rights movement. You get many years with a heavy focus on the pilgrims/early America, Revolutionary War, Civil War, World War II.

Also Vietnam is such a complex issue that I don’t think it could be properly taught in a high school history course.

The fact that they’re doing something illegal and bum-rushing the process definitely makes me think it’s an attempt to whitewash the social studies program.

After all, we can’t teach children key points of history regarding race, genocide, racism, bad political decisions based on all of the above AND discuss them in depth. It might hurt their fragile little minds and make them ashamed to be be Caucasian. /s

The needs of the students mean nothing when board members have an ax to grind. That should be a firing offense.

Hard disagree, John Brown was hung for treason.

This simple "everyone is either all good or all bad" type of thinking is exactly why we shouldn't be cutting education requirements in history and civics lol.

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that's the literal plan

Who is taking Jefferson or Washington’s name off of anything?

You realize Lincoln was like almost a 100 years later than Washington and Jefferson right?

We didn’t need a civil war, the south choose to have one. If anything the southern states got off extremely lightly

Hence their names stay where they belong, in history books and museums. Not on buildings and parks

Oh. So it sounds like you’re putting today’s “military grade” on the words of 250 years ago. How about that.

The Civil war was necessary to form the US. Any new States added the North wanted to prevent them from allowing them to become slave states.

Yes Im aware of the gap between the Revolution and the Civil war.

Jefferson was already removed from a school in NJ and of all colleges UVA is trying to remove his name (the college was founded by Jefferson)

San Franciscos board of Ed is removing both names George Washington and Jefferson off of buildings.

No, you are the one that wanted to limit the 2A to what was available 250 years ago. I was just pointing out the grade level of that weapon.

The PTA parents proposing this shouldn't have slept during history class.

We should have an exchange program with Russia. Send all these Insurrection lovers to Putin's Russia for a couple years and let them see first hand how great it is.

Go live in Russia and tell us how you love your Russian constitutional rights to bear arms and to free speech.

Pennsylvania made a law that provides public paid busses for private schools back in the 1960s. We had public schools that taught history, civics and the arts back then. It's all downhill since public schools began to be defunded. Want to send your kids to a private school? Do it on your own dime.

What is wrong with the north wanting to prevent new states that were added from being space states?

You realize the civil war was the founders fault…they did the equivalent of “fuck it the next person in can deal with this mess”

I'm well aware of the why's.

And don’t go pinning the civil war on the north, it was the south who was the aggressor…it was the south who decried every effort made and became hypocrites

The last year has made me eternally grateful that I chose to leave Perkasie when I was looking for a house/school district...JFC.

Again, its your projection. The North said enough with the slavery, even though at the time states like NJ still allowed slavery

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The country never outlawed slavery as a whole until the 13th amendment…hell space states fought for the north. The border states even after the emancipation proclamation were allowed to keep their slaves as that only applied to states in rebellion to the government. Yes individual states in the north ended slavery but it wasn’t on the whole. The south became a little bitch and afraid that Lincoln would end slavery and tried to leave the union and opened war on the north. Hell for the first almost 2 years of the war, the south would have been able to rejoin the union without losing slavery…the south is the ones who in the end made it all about slavery but that’s just revisionist history on the losers part. The confederacy was a bunch of whiny brats

>The board has refused to form a committee of stakeholders consisting of board members, teachers (including those of other disciplines other than Social Studies), administrators, and community members to investigate the wisdom of their proposed change.

This is so blatantly transparent at this point.

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I read something the other day about some laws still being on the books because they only apply to prisoners. They kept those so that legally they don't have to pay for prison labor.

So you linked a blog site and nothing factual

He was amazing! He created “the people’s car”….Volkswagen!!!

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Why should we honor traitors and other piles of shit by naming things after them?

Jesus Christ dude. This is one of the stupidest comments I’ve ever seen on Reddit. If I were you I’d just delete your account and start over. F-

No no no, I never said I wanted to limit anything. You were criticizing people on the left for always wanting to update things, I was just pointing out the hypocrisy by stating that unless you update bear arms to “today’s standards”, the only thing 2A would protect is muskets.

You can’t have it both ways; either the constitution and legal precedents are living breathing principles, or they’re not — We’re bound by their EXACT words. Which is it?

SPOILER ALERT: Your argument is screwed either way. Have a nice day : )

Have you ever read your posts?

LOL, what? Tell me about all these countries who “removed history from the public square”, and how it precipitated their downfall. Please cite cause & effect, not just two unrelated facts. Also… please make them actual facts. I know ya’ll struggle with that.

Also, I’d like to point out that the Taliban is still in power, since Trump & Pompeo surrendered Afghanistan to them. So I hasn’t “ended” for them at all.

No, you thought you would be cute and failed miserable. The conversation was about individuals and you tweaked it into the constitution. I know you think your smart.

Smart enough to know “your” from “you’re”. And the difference between “miserable” and “miserably”.

Also, I was asking you, an “individual”, to choose one. And you couldn’t because that fence you’re sitting on is jammed up your butt.

No, spell checking means you're more intelligent, which isn't indicative of being smart.

I did post people's names but you were fixated on 2a.

Oh I saw names… I just didn’t see how removing history led to their downfall. And one you listed is still in power, so….

And you still didn’t choose: update to “today’s standard” or allow people only to own muskets (the only arms protected by 2A)?

No, the constitution just says arms. It doesn't reference what type.

And arms at the time were muskets. So, if you are against people applying “today’s standards”, that means we should apply the standards of when it was written. Therefore, “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a Free state, the right of people to keep and bear muskets, shall not be infringed.” Using the standard of the time, of course : )

See how that works?

Next will we be debating wearing clothes made of multiple fabrics, touching a dead pig, and working on the Sabbath? Can’t wait!

You really aren't that smart.