The suspect in the killings of four University of Idaho students last month had been known to some employees at a Pennsylvania brewery to make "creepy" and inappropriate comments, the business owner said.

I'm not surprised given his one Reddit post.

Strangely, though he was from my part of Monroe County (township next door to mine in the same school district) and that I know people who went to high school and community college with him plus who lived in the Indian Mountain Lake development with him, yet absolutely no one seems to have known him.

Starting to sound like a creepy, fairly-educated loner.

no doubt there were some red flags beforehand. just glad he was apprehended

I graduated from PV in 2014 (one year below Kohberger) and you’re right, it’s crazy the amount of people that knew of him but never really interacted with. Part of that is bc he went to vo-tech and wasn’t really around the rest of the school population, but also because he was just a loner

I know Jordan Serulneck, and drink at Seven Sirens often. Weird seeing him quoted like this.

OK, that helps making more sense to me now despite the West End being such a small place.

Is it surprising he was a loner? Isn’t that very consistent?

Maybe loners need more help than we realize. Maybe isolating needs to be seen as much of a red flag as acting up.

I’m curious if his family saw him as troubled and tried to get him help. Was it something they didn’t notice or was it more like watching a train wreck in slo mo?

The suspect was shocked to be approached by Jordan about his previous behavior. Now he's shocked to be the suspect even though there was DNA matches at the house the night of the murder.

Seems like this guy has some kind of bi-polar situation going on.

I just hope they were right and they took a killer off the streets, but I also hope they didn’t charge the wrong guy and ruin his life if he wasn’t the one who committed the crime.

yah there seems to be a lot of doubt surrounding their person of interest. understandably so, a lot of obedient dog brains in law enforcement.

Maybe we need to focus on mental health as a nation and fund it. Mental wellness for all would solve so many problems around the world.

I would blame the media too. If it wasn't so high profile they could be more diligent.

True but you are missing my point that those who isolate are overlooked more so.

I've read somewhere else that he asked one of the girls out was turned down. Seems like the dude couldn't handle rejection

Sometimes loners are that way because they give off “danger” vibes that are very real. Like in this case.

yeah MSM has no chill. but honestly i didn’t even hear of this till i went to visit my dad cause they played it on fox “news” every single night despite no new developments.

In which case, asking peers to simply be more inclusive is not a good solution - doing so could put well-meaning peers at risk as well as pressuring them to not “trust their gut”.

This is basically what seems to have happened with the Parkland shooter. His behavior was extremely disturbing but the school tried to be inclusive. This just made him worse.

People are so weird.

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This. 🏆👍👏👏👏

I actually think it's a pretty good idea and I wish it was something we had back in the days when I was tending bar but there was no such technology at that time. A good way to communicate to staff who to keep an eye on based on previous behaviors - or tip them someone who's no longer permitted to be in the establishment.

No, just call them incels and go on with your day.

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Even in countries with accessible care I've heard people claim there is still a stigma towards mental illness so people and families will avoid help. Those comments usually come up after a mentally ill person attacks others.

Maybe NYC has the right idea forcing people into treatment.

"In the bar's system, staff had added notes that would pop up when his ID was scanned"

When a person's ID is scanned their "private" information shows up. All these employees are doing is adding things in a notes field like "this person is trouble" or "they're no longer allowed in here" or whatever. I don't see a problem with that and apparently neither does the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

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I didn’t see in the article where it talked about a Reddit post. Where is that from and what was the post?

Here's the PA law: https://idscan.net/id-scanning-laws/pennsylvania/

My understanding is that any establishment serving alcohol can scan your ID to verify that you are of legal age - even if it's not a "to go" sale.

https://ibb.co/WH1WMKR

I don't necessarily disagree, but if he was a self isolating loner what makes you think he would actually help himself and invest in his mental health? We could have all the acceptance and mental health access in the world but you can't force someone to help themselves

The post itself seem harmless enough as it looks like just a typical college level criminal justice project on the surface but diving into the rabbit hole of people who knew him a who went to reddit to discus what they knew of him; yeah it seems like he has issues. That coupled with what he wrote raises red flags

Thank you for sharing the link op

I agree, it looks like one of those typical research polls that you see from time to time, but now it appears to be much more sinister. And you're quite welcome!

>Is it surprising he was a loner? Isn’t that very consistent?

Criminology experts should jump in here, but I don't think introversion is a good predictor of violent criminals. I don't know if people with "creepy" personalities are more likely to become loners, but I suspect it's more complicated than that:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/quiet-the-power-introverts/201105/the-myth-the-killer-introvert

I hear you. I was thinking there is a significant difference between loner and introvert. It’s a continuum - but I was unclear. I wasn’t intending to label every introvert as sus.

He is accused of unaliving multiple people in one setting .If he is guilty and the evidence checks out in court. Throw the book at him like everyone else. Not buying this loner stuff.

You can't force anyone to help themselves, but it's also true that eliminating barriers to access improves the chance of people helping themselves in the first place. I know I'd engage with mental healthcare more if it was more accessible, and I've already been in therapy and psychiatry for years.