March_Latter t1_iwnju4v wrote
Bad move. If he accuses him of this and gets it to work any supporter of any riot or has given aid or comfort would be unable to run. This would hurt democrats far more than republicans
daymanahhhahhhhhh t1_iwnkhct wrote
No it wouldn’t. 14th amendment isn’t for “riots.”
The pertinent part…
“No person shall … hold any office, civil or military, under the United States … who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States … to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”
SweatyCockroach8212 t1_iwnm7mw wrote
support: give assistance to
rebellion: an act of violent or open resistance to an established government or ruler.
insurrection: a violent uprising against an authority or government.
The government is the people in it. Mike Pence, Nancy Pelosi are the government. Sure sounds like he supported an insurrection or rebellion against the government. That's using the language in the Constitution.
daymanahhhahhhhhh t1_iwnn4am wrote
Who’s he? Are you talking about trump? Yes he did. I never disagreed. Maybe you meant the comment for someone else.
Proof-Variation7005 t1_iwnqc0j wrote
Your interpretation is incorrect because it requires ignoring "having previously taken an oath" part of of that statement. That's a pretty important part of this.
My regular dumb ass leading a rebellion wouldn't be the same as someone who'd already taken an oath for the government doing the same.
SweatyCockroach8212 t1_iwnxy7s wrote
Right. This is why Cicilline is looking to use the 14th Amendment to prevent Trump from being eligible to be President again. He took the oath and he supported an insurrection or rebellion against the government.
March_Latter t1_iwnkkui wrote
As we do in america......stretch it.
daymanahhhahhhhhh t1_iwnl70k wrote
Believe what you want to believe dude. Amy argument you make regarding the constitution should be backed up using the language in the constitution, not your hopes, dreams and beliefs.
March_Latter t1_iwnlyk3 wrote
Riots, Rebellion, and Insurrection. Definitions are easily available. Lets also assume included in enemies are terrorist organizations Present, and Future. Who has given aid and comfort?
daymanahhhahhhhhh t1_iwnn04k wrote
Yes they’re easily available which is why it’s funny that you don’t know the difference between a riot and a rebellion or insurrection. Riot is not a word used in the 14th amendment. Lol try again.
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daymanahhhahhhhhh t1_iwnnron wrote
Facts don’t care about your feelings buddy 🤷🏻
RhodeIsland-ModTeam t1_iwpxych wrote
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Coincel_pro t1_iwnlsf2 wrote
Wait so people who break laws should suffer consequences? Fucking wild.
March_Latter t1_iwnmcfs wrote
Yes...but things can be tricky here. He likes the word Insurrection, but rebellion is also listed. Aid and comfort would need to be substantial and provable.
Coincel_pro t1_iwnqfg6 wrote
ok
mkmck t1_iwvyi4u wrote
It wasn't just a riot, it was a riotous insurrection. Big difference
geeps2020 t1_ix1fv1o wrote
without weapons and guys wearing vikings helmets who were let in
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