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SeriousQuestions111 t1_jeah9pp wrote

Currently I'm finishing The Return of the King (huge fan of the movies too). I do sometimes find the prose lackluster but not in a literary sense - more like it's not in alignment with my expectations of fiction in the context of current times. I want to dive deeper into characters' psyche and emotions etc. But you have to read it with knowledge of it's original release date.

Also, because you have seen the movies, you know how expansive and immersive this world is. Now try writing about this amazing world, encapsulating one specific story within it. Or try writing about our world and capture all of its intricacies. Wouldn't be easy, right? I'm just happy Tolkien managed to somehow describe it, maybe not in the most easily available or modern way (for obvious reasons), but he put this world in our heads, where it kept expanding further on. That's another reason why it seems to lack something - seeing the movies, we have let our imagination run wild as if we already lived in this world. So when the author doesn't describe this exact feeling/ connection that we have with it, something seems off.

Also, I would argue that Tolkien's old-school grand/ melodic writing is the actual source of the Middle Earth's atmosphere and it was written like this completely on purpose. What you have seen in the movies, is the vision that Tolkien showed to it's producers, through these exact words. Author took his world seriously and so did the reader.

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soph_sol t1_jeanebw wrote

Yes exactly, when I read the books for the first time I was amazed to discover how different Tolkien's priorities were in his writing than what I'm used to from more modern fantasy. And creating an atmosphere is definitely one of the things his approach does well! It's odd and takes time to put yourself into the right headspace of appreciating what he's doing, but it's worth paying attention to imo.

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bhbhbhhh t1_jecnfwd wrote

> Or try writing about our world and capture all of its intricacies. Wouldn't be easy, right?

When I think about fantasy books that capture all the intricacies of their world, I don't think about The Lord of the Rings. I would say the saga really skimmed across the surface of the world. I never came away with a particularly meaningful image of what Gondor and Rohan are like as societies, what cultural quirks they have.

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SeriousQuestions111 t1_jecnumx wrote

I agree. Never said Tolkien achieved that, just explained why he didn't. I don't think it's even possible to be honest. Just put two people in a room and you could keep writing forever about what defines their lives.

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bhbhbhhh t1_jecoi6e wrote

Within regular literature, Emile Zola and Honore de Balzac set out to write epic cycles exploring through every section of French society. Such can also describe the project James Joyce set out on with Ulysses. In fantasy too I've read enough books that really set out to put their alternate realities on the page.

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