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Jampine t1_j13nxd2 wrote

Reply to comment by Fake_Human_Being in I just read Animal Farm and I loved it. But I got some questions. by Prize_Effort_4478

One thing I just thought about, he (Rightfully) accused them of selling out to capitalists when it suits them, but is there any parallels to the Soviets deals with the Nazis?

Before the war, Germany did secret tank testing in Russia, as partt of a joint agreement, which gave them advancements other other countries bon tank design, not sure if Orwell would have known about that.

However, what was very publicly know was the Molotov-Ribbentrov pact, where the USSR signed a non aggression pact with the Nazis, in exchange for eastern Poland.

Obviously the Nazis betrayed them, but up till then, the Communists where alright with the Nazis, despite their idealogy being opposed.

On a way, the Nazis played both sides, capitalists where too afraid of the Communists, and vice versa, they where too preoccupied with each other, they let the Nazis get away with a lot more than they should (In the build up to the war).

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Fake_Human_Being t1_j13q2wl wrote

In fairness, before the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, the USSR were trying to form alliances with the western allies throughout the 1930s. Maxim Litvinov worked hard to form an alliance with the UK and France, but both governments were more concerned with suppressing communism, and in France’s case, directing Nazi Germany eastwards suited them better.

The ideal outcome for the UK/France was for Nazi Germany and the USSR fight each other to a standstill, which would weaken both Fascism and Communism.

The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was made by necessity for the USSR and convenience by the Germans. It is no more an endorsement of Nazism than the Munich Agreement was.

The Russian military was never strong enough to face the full focus of German advancement, and in 1938/39 they were in no position to take them on.

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JamJarre t1_j13sht8 wrote

Frederick is Hitler and his farm is Germany. The animals make an agreement with Frederick, and he reneges on it with fake money - following this he attacks the farm. Same with Hitler, Stalin and the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.

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