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flerchin t1_ivzq5or wrote

It's hard to tell, but it seems the Ukrainians will now hold the entire west bank of the Dnieper. This war has been terrible. I hope it's over soon.

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Emergency-Aardvark-7 t1_iw0hb58 wrote

Wow, so amazed that RF never made it to Odessa after holding Kherson so long. We're lucky they're so stupid.

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Muscle-Top t1_iw0wsjy wrote

The way this going, it lookin like it’s gonna end like Vietnam

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Chroderos t1_iw1lb59 wrote

Partisan warfare = local resistance groups?

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Chroderos t1_iw1m5ro wrote

Replying to Korostenetz (#508,020)

Thanks. I’ve heard the term used that way, but extremely rarely. Seems kind of an archaic term these days so just wanted to verify.

I think OP might be advised to say something like “local resistance fighters,” “guerrilla warfare,” or the like.

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Fearzebu t1_iw1n9wq wrote

Replying to Chroderos (#508,036)

The term has been widely used in the Second World War and in Vietnam, as well as a bit more sporadically during the global war on terror. Not remotely “archaic”

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Chroderos t1_iw1nqce wrote

Replying to Fearzebu (#508,076)

Yeah I’m aware of the usage in WW2 era, but it seemed to fall out of favor since then. I read today that Ukrainian special forces are in Kherson so thought this might be a confusion with activities of those groups rather than locals. Anyway, sounds like they’re probably there supporting local resistance which makes sense.

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delliejonut t1_iw1o2l1 wrote

Replying to Chroderos (#508,096)

I think the use of partisan is intentional. The connotation is that partisans are good guys, like the French in WW2. If they were the "bad guys" they'd be guerrilla forces or insurgents. I prefer partisan

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iheartdev247 t1_iw1vra0 wrote

They still have a lot to reclaim. Their not even close to Crimea yet either.

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bapo225 t1_iw1w9r0 wrote

The city has been liberated

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[deleted] t1_iw1wo3b wrote

So not to be a wet blanket but what about to the east of the river? The map is very much zoomed in on a small portion of the country. That covers a huge chunk of eastern Ukraine and will likely be the regions Russia actually wants to hold to maintain that Crimea land bridge.

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contrabardus t1_iw1zvoq wrote

This is very good for Ukraine aside from the obvious recovery of their territory, as it gives them a land bridge into the southern region.

Kherson is very strategically important because of the access it gives between the two regions it connects.

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somirion t1_iw20rrc wrote

How nice of Russians, then even left a teritory in shape of Ukraine next to Cherson.

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mees132 t1_iw2dxnd wrote

Nothing compared to moustache man

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0x53r3n17y t1_iw2f7cf wrote

Replying to delliejonut (#508,113)

During WWI, the Germans referred to resistance as "partizanen" or "franc-tireurs" (free shooters) In occupied Belgium, the perceived existence of "partizanen" led to punitive actions on the part of the Germans: which were collectively called "The Rape of Belgium" in 1914.

Used in propaganda of the time, the plight of "brave little Belgium" was instrumental for turning the Anglo-Saxon public opinion towards sending expeditionary forces.

Being labeled a "partisan" was very much a mixed bag for the civilian population at the time. Not everyone was willing to actively resist and partisan actions often meant running a risk of endangering the population, therefore losing support among said population.

So, even today, regarding Ukraine, I'd be very careful about making statements about how resistance fighters are perceived by the local population in that particular context.

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RomromEmpire t1_iw2tnix wrote

Still a very long way to go before getting back whole territory, if ever

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