Submitted by twintig5 t3_zi44ye in dataisbeautiful
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ArchdevilTeemo t1_izpk3m4 wrote
Because it isn't intuitive. There is also a lot of information missing.
paxcoder t1_izpkv5t wrote
I find it intuitive, but then I'm a programmer so that might play a role. What information do you think is missing though?
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Bombtombadilz t1_izplp3m wrote
Love the format but im too much of a newb to understand the symbs
twintig5 OP t1_izpn08h wrote
These are the FA logos, indeed. I believe it is rarely that national team has it's own logo, besides FA logo. Stars are like an extra, sometimes are there sometimes are not.
Edit: I was using logo pack for FAs. Now as you pointed this out, I went on wiki to check. Among 16 teams in the bracket, exactly 2 of them have different logos compared to the FA logos: England and France. I overlooked this, as this is definitely not a standard. I follow football for a long time, and I was convinced FA logos are "the logos".
I guess I could correct it for the next version, but I don't see it like a big deal.
Anyway, thanks for the heads up.
twintig5 OP t1_izpne5d wrote
Not particularly. Not an England fan, but I really hope France will not win it again.
degausser22 t1_izpnwnp wrote
I’m a magician and I find this intuitive as well.
Fenix_Volatilis t1_izpo3yw wrote
OoooOo thanks! This helps quite a bit
lmcalderon t1_izpqd1q wrote
I don't like this, I don't agree with people who say they are intuitive.
lizfour t1_izpqum7 wrote
I'm hoping Croatia.
I was in Split on holiday once and we visited the Hajuk Split team's stadium. The fans' passion is amazing, they love the opportunities to play, win or lose. There were framed newspaper cuttings of when they played Arsenal and lost heavily, for example.
Ph0n1k t1_izprime wrote
This reminds me of Alan Partridge’s guide to the 1994 world cup. https://youtu.be/DsQpWBSjVzI
thistruthbbold t1_izprxjg wrote
Blue for the win! ALLEZ LES BLEUS! 🇫🇷
marcoscousseau t1_izpsnz8 wrote
Super nice format!! i love it!
Gundark927 t1_izpuack wrote
Forgive my ignorance; the stars I assume represent World Cup championship wins?
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hesalivejim t1_izpvi30 wrote
Yep. I think continent tournaments count too e.g. euros
hesalivejim t1_izpvr8d wrote
Just gotta pay a couple more refs and you're in
Heya_Andy t1_izpvthi wrote
Better, but I think flags + country name would be best. I'm a bit sketchy on my South American flags so I couldn't actually work out who played who.
But love the circle format too, never thought to use this for a knockout comp.
twintig5 OP t1_izpwlpn wrote
Yes, that is correct. And, unlike what was written below your comment, European championships are not counted. Only World Cup.
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daveh6475 t1_izpz40z wrote
Dirty bastads
EscapedCapybara t1_izq14ft wrote
We need the double upset...Croatia vs Morocco in the final.
amanofeasyvirtue t1_izq1jah wrote
Crazy how england still lost on penalty kicks
Bombtombadilz t1_izq1t1z wrote
This is the way
Edit: american trash panda here sorry for the ignance
comicmuse1982 t1_izq2lhz wrote
Not as effective as the Soccermeter from 1994... https://youtu.be/k4SuR8hTGMI
DurianBurp t1_izq2wk3 wrote
This is really, really cool.
ramon_63 t1_izq6et9 wrote
Euros doesn't counts for stars, only World Cups.
xxxHalny t1_izq6mf7 wrote
Compared to regular brackets, the only thing that's missing is the match scores (ideally for the matches and the penalty shoot-outs separately).
patronum213 t1_izq73bk wrote
Well, if you win you move in a layer and expand to fill the space
kantokiwi t1_izq743r wrote
>There is also a lot of information missing.
Such as how many people died making the world cup facilities?
levelselect t1_izq7bin wrote
This is what instantly came to mind!
Hannibal_Spectre t1_izq7xv3 wrote
That would make me feel much less bad about Canada doing so poorly in our group with both of them making the final (and Belgium who were expected to do well not even getting out). Man our group was tough.
landoofficial t1_izq81mx wrote
I freakin love radial brackets. So simple, so compact, so detailed. They’re perfect
lmcalderon t1_izq93pv wrote
I understand the concept, but I do not think it's a beautiful way to display data
ZoladoneFarmer t1_izqbtmu wrote
The symmetry on this was almost perfect 🤌 if Korea and Brazil had just been switched
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EscapedCapybara t1_izqdnqk wrote
Yah, we (Canada) were ranked 12 behind Morocco, 25 behind Croatia, and a full 39 behind Belgium in the November FIFA rankings. I think we did pretty well in two of the three group matches.
L_J_X t1_izqewok wrote
Then you have Uruguay counting their two Olympic wins as stars.
Edit: lmao can't believe I'm getting downvoted. Uruguay wears 4 stars but only have 2 world cups. The other two would be the Olympics. Do you mfs just blindly believe whoever replies ?
zdubs t1_izqhh1j wrote
I wish there was an “o” in the name so we can pronounce this like thermometer. The Soccerometer!
ozymandais13 t1_izqkb99 wrote
Uruguay has won 2 world cups though
wasdlmb t1_izr1kqo wrote
Brazil and Argentina have the two most distinct flags on the continent
Immediate-Cress-1014 t1_izr1syo wrote
Belgium was very bearable that game too. Just poor luck. We’re also the only team with a goal against Morocco
sapphiresong t1_izr25au wrote
Hoo boy I love me some radical brackets!!
Stronghold257 t1_izr55yd wrote
I think it came about from NCAA March Madness a couple/few years back, someone on Reddit posted this style of bracket and it took off
Foreign_Mongoose6015 t1_izr5igc wrote
I'm smart, don't you Think 🤔? Well you've earned it Buddy, hi5 to you
HamburgerMachineGun t1_izr7ckx wrote
Im also a programmer but there is nothing to show whether the next matchups are Croatia-Argentina or Croatia-Morocco
imapassenger1 t1_izr94hr wrote
The kangaroo and the emu. Two animals incapable of taking a backward step.
imapassenger1 t1_izr9c81 wrote
Based on the fact that every team that has beaten Australia in the round of 16 has gone on to win it, I'll have to say it's Argentina this time.
tom_fuckin_bombadil t1_izrbf0v wrote
But they wear 4 stars
tsigalko11 t1_izrblw9 wrote
They haven't lost on penalties. Although they missed one, during the regular time
Edit: why are you downvoting me? Losing on penalties means playing 120 min and then do the penalties shoot out. In fact, Kane missing was 1st penalty England ever missed during the game time (excluding shoot out at the end).
Phssthp0kThePak t1_izrcvk2 wrote
It's the round of 16, not the tree of sixteen.
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woolylambkin t1_izrejkw wrote
The next circle for the semifinals is split vertically to denote Argentina/Croatia and France/Morocco.
SavvasMak t1_izrekox wrote
There is if you look how the space for semi finalists forms
SoggyCuntBiscuit t1_izrfkuk wrote
Who the fuck are any of these? I think I recognize France. From tjis I can deduce France are still playing and presumably three others are also still playing.
Oh and Australia, US and Korea are oit because for some reason those aee the only teams labeled with the actual team
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dogfish182 t1_izrjghz wrote
I think Croatia is quite likely to be honest. They’re good
cryptic-fox t1_izrka3a wrote
I honestly would love to see Croatia and Morocco make it to the final.
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HamburgerMachineGun t1_izrlmrb wrote
So true! My bad. Still think it would be nice for lines to get thicker, at least visually.
Ph0n1k t1_izrlt26 wrote
great minds.
Ahmed_Sazid t1_izro43m wrote
nothing i particular, but i guess it looks more visually compact and symmetrical compared to the regular brackets system
Saendre t1_izro46h wrote
He probably thinks Senegal, Morocco and the English flag are South American.
itseensasekaantuja t1_izro6aq wrote
”And another!” is a top5 most hilarious random jokes ever.
kasenyee t1_izroa17 wrote
Ya I gotcha. Thanks for sharing.
VirusMaster3073 t1_izrpb8b wrote
USA Brazil Argentina for the win!
Flashwastaken t1_izrrupv wrote
Because yanks don’t understand football. Some of them genuinely believe that if people Lebron James and Tom Brady played football, instead of their respective sports, that they would be word cup champions every year.
AkhilArtha t1_izrshmj wrote
That Morocco scored themselves.
paxcoder t1_izrsx3r wrote
I wonder how that relates to illusions, if you didn't just bring that up to say it's intuitive either way. The reason I brought up programming is that in the process of codifying problems, we have to break them down in our heads, and there they can often look like graphs - which is what this is. So I thought it could be that other people aren't as used to graphs as I am.
ledepression t1_izrutjh wrote
With a tie being declared and San Marino being crowned winners due to a convenient technicality
NineTSe7en t1_izrw7z2 wrote
Croatia vs Morocco final then boys
BaconPancakes1 t1_izrxtja wrote
I don't, because flag design kinda ruins the clarity of the graphic. E.g. France's segment looks like three different blocks at a glance. This one is the same format but more readable.
Edit - the top comment reply to that post is the most readable and best looking version of this
tsigalko11 t1_izrxy28 wrote
I'm sure, if Lebron started practicing as a little kid, that he could reach the level of Shola Ameobi.
Flashwastaken t1_izry3yj wrote
But would he have been accepted by the people of Newcastle in the same way? I doubt it!
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Lollipop126 t1_izryjrs wrote
Flags that wrap around the semi circle would've been cool
darkslide3000 t1_izs0fc6 wrote
Yeah, this belongs on /r/dataisunintelligiblebecausenobodyknowsallthoseassociationsbyheart.
tsigalko11 t1_izs0h5x wrote
Never. Would he appreciate fish&chips in the same way as Shola? Never.
AbstractBettaFish t1_izs13mm wrote
I bet 30 of reddits fake betting currency in Croatia to beat Brazil and made a mint. Makes me wish I bet real money
FartingBob t1_izs24wx wrote
Didnt Croatia get to the final against France last time? Wouldnt be that much of an upset.
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vvanouytsel t1_izs3ry7 wrote
I was looking for Belgium, but then I remembered. 😭
icrbact t1_izs4aod wrote
I think the version with the logos looks better than the version with the flags. Both cool though. Honestly the colors alone are a great indication of who is who. Anyway, special shout-out for getting the Swiss flag right in the alternative version (yes it is square)!
Disastrous_Time_4662 t1_izs4his wrote
It's so close to being a symmetrical pattern, but it isn't. :(
Tylerwolfhere t1_izs4uv6 wrote
Is there any way to include group stage?
EscapedCapybara t1_izs503r wrote
They did, but Argentina is 10 places higher than Croatia in the FIFA rankings, so it would still count as an upset.
TomatoFlies4 t1_izs516g wrote
We need one upset…Croatia vs. France in the Final.
Bozorgzadegan t1_izs5tix wrote
Yes, they did
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Delta_FT t1_izs6bl5 wrote
>Then you have Uruguay counting their two Olympic wins as stars.
Yeah it's kind of dumb but you're missing a huge part, those are the 1924 and 1928 wins, the first WC was played in 1930 (bc they weren't going to include football as a sport in LA 1932).
Those 2 Olympic golds were won by the Uruguayan senior team vs other World class teams, as opposed to what we have now were the Olympics are mostly a U-23 tournament
Bozorgzadegan t1_izs6n88 wrote
Six shots on target in three matches and oft-shaky performances from the keeper is hard to say Canada did well. That said, there were some close moments in the Morocco match. Topping the group in CONCACAF, I expected more from them.
SpacevsGravity t1_izs6yqd wrote
Do tell me how many died?
Monkey_Zero t1_izs7hrh wrote
I still have no idea who it is still. American education
LookAround-blog t1_izs7zl1 wrote
sectoral reflection looks much more convenient for perception ⚽👍
fanwan76 t1_izs81f8 wrote
I'm not a fan of football, but using team logos instead of country names makes this pretty hard to follow for a casual viewer.
Also repeating colors for different teams is confusing and doesn't really help with team recognition.
It also doesn't show the match scores which sports brackets usually do.
And it doesn't provide any information about the teams rank coming into the tournament, which again brackets usually do.
This format would look cool printed on a tee-shirt at the end of the tournament. But personally I don't see it as a good reference during the competition.
Heya_Andy t1_izs87s0 wrote
Well I don't think any education system has you learning all 200+ flags of the world. And it's not like there's a real need to focus on the 32 World Cup teams.
UnoKajillion t1_izsaiwh wrote
All my homies want Croatia vs Morocco final
Ridgetop18 t1_izsb1y0 wrote
At one point I’d’ve been able to name them if the silhouette of the country was on there.
Freaking AP Human Geography final and “correctly label every country on an unlabeled map (it had the borders at least).
enerrgym t1_izsb2jr wrote
That's what you get for losing the war
No-Yak5173 t1_izsbc98 wrote
Teams having a rank before the tournament is not something anyone really tales seriously in football
amanofeasyvirtue t1_izsc5xq wrote
Its a joke because england constantly loses in a penalty shoot out. Meanwhile this time the only time they jad clear goal scoring opportunities was on penalties. Its funny
amanofeasyvirtue t1_izsch08 wrote
Wow clasdic english humor. No wonder your comedians are the pinnacle of humor with hilarious banter like that. No wonder you got shit teeth cuz your always smiling and people notice your nasty ass mouth
Cyampagn90 t1_izsdb65 wrote
Are you kidding? It’s not like these are from some estranged country in Tibet. Almost all are pretty relevant.
911silver t1_izsdi3w wrote
How many?
_jandrewc_ t1_izsgcoa wrote
OP yes gotta have the labels, maybe radially on the outside layer?
tsigalko11 t1_izsgont wrote
Brother, I have no clue what you are on. I'm not English.
Cyphierre t1_izsgrjy wrote
Got one with country names + flags?
ShadowBannedAugustus t1_izsgsnk wrote
Because the standard "spider" form is much easier to read.
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Uxgator0327 t1_izsh1bw wrote
This works once you enter this stage, but would be a bad way to represent a tournament. The cognitive load to understand who played who in the first round is much higher than the typical tree diagram with clear spacing between the matchups. Visualization of data is about understanding first
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UnfetteredThoughts t1_izsjq7s wrote
Man, fuck that dirty ass game. Still pissed off about that.
dimeheadache t1_izsjqt1 wrote
Wow, best format I've seen for the knockout rounds. I really like that you can see at a glance the impact of each country by the amount of colored area as the teams move forward. Really nice OP.
TriangleGalaxy t1_izskx02 wrote
To bad these symbols mean nothing to me
steak_tartare t1_izsmjfc wrote
Not sure if the sequence on the groups phase means something, but if not I would adjust so the two ousted were in the middle so the winners always grow from the same base in the next phases.
Zouden t1_izsmn9p wrote
"The proof is in the pudding. And the pudding, in this case, is a football"
pantshee t1_izsn56q wrote
So much salt
pantshee t1_izsnbt6 wrote
So much salt ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
SpacevsGravity t1_izsnv0j wrote
Guardian's number are made up. As expected, bullshit source.
happy_knife t1_izsq5x1 wrote
On sentirait pas un peu de seum par ici ?
Goldblood4 t1_izsqm7v wrote
I hate this bracket. Just use a normal one gd
NixonTrees t1_izsr6ln wrote
This is not really DATA is beautiful. This is more...graphs are beautiful.
mc_mentos t1_izsskz6 wrote
South Korea too.
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Epistatious t1_izstx7z wrote
Clicked on this thinking it was going to show me breakfast choices by countries attending world cup.
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YaBoiJim777 t1_izsuh26 wrote
It would be cool to see a radial bracket where the area/country in each ring is determined by the odds they have to win the World Cup or to advance to the next round. It would be a cool way to show Croatia and moroccos success as well as many other upsets.
Does anyone know what program is used to create these brackets?
ozymandais13 t1_izsw3nl wrote
Man I'm dyslexic I can't count ...also heyoo dillyooo
wargamer24 t1_izswnk5 wrote
WE CHEER FOR MOROCCO BOYS!!!
CartographerWorth649 t1_izsykqm wrote
Cool visuals! Sadly my team was left behind :(
EstebanOD21 t1_izsyzd2 wrote
We got like 3 yellow cards and y'all got two penalties and shit
repeat4EMPHASIS t1_izsz3y1 wrote
This one is much clearer in regards to which teams are playing each other
Altruistic_Low9659 t1_izt4l2g wrote
Looks like 2018 Finals part 2
FLORI_DUH t1_izt5ifg wrote
Except Croatia and Morocco, two of the most prominent
Tobyey t1_izt6kqg wrote
I was part of the peace deal
Xehanz t1_izt7avq wrote
Bracket is still better for rhe WC. This is honestly shittier with extra steps
Xehanz t1_izt7hzr wrote
How so? Brackets is just as symmetrical.
fuzzylogicIII t1_izt7w5d wrote
Oh sorry I gave benefit of the doubt and figured you weren’t just being obnoxious.
Since you apparently don’t know what an estimate is, here are general explanations for that estimate
It’s extremely easy to find sources other than the guardian for an insight into this but you sound more interested in swatting people down than correcting or getting good info.
In total ~15,000 non nationals died overall as a general stat, but it’s hard to argue that the working age immigrants mostly died of heart attacks.
Qatar’s official response, if you want to go with that, was 37, then 400-500, then 37. Now you have the full range of estimates, maybe try to provide one of your own next time.
nerevisigoth t1_iztc774 wrote
If we're including the group stage countries, Ghana, Senegal and Cameroon have very similar flags and none are very relevant in world affairs.
Serbia and Croatia are close too.
UpstairsWrongdoer401 t1_iztjqto wrote
Formal request for every bracket for every sports tourney to be built like this
gebhigebhu t1_izu2e91 wrote
This should be the normal bracket-style layout
Flashwastaken t1_izultsg wrote
I’m not English either but the best comedian on the planet right now, is English. He would never joke about Ameobi though. I don’t think he would even know who that is.
hesalivejim t1_izv09l7 wrote
Because your game plan was "Hack at their legs so they can't shoot"
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