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soylamulatta t1_iy9tind wrote

Reply to comment by sweetplantveal in ELI5 Are cows constantly producing milk? by ms_myco

"high welfare veal" lmao what an oxymoron

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yukon-flower t1_iya3hbs wrote

Does "veal" by definition necessitate that the calf is crammed in a box so it cannot use its muscles, or can it in theory include any young calf even if it lived a free and happy life somewhere but just didn't make it past a few months of age?

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soylamulatta t1_iya4dpj wrote

If the calf were sick and didn't make it then why would we be eating it's flesh? Why would we kill someone who is living a happy life and didn't ask to die?

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IYXMnx1Sa3qWM1IZ t1_iyab376 wrote

People enjoy eating meat, and at the moment that means that an animal needs to die for that to happen. That said, it would be preferable to have the animal be treated humanely during its life.

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soylamulatta t1_iyabgye wrote

You didn't outright say it but a lot of people would read your comment as having only two options. The first is treating an animal cruelly and then eating them and the second is giving the animal a better life and then eating them. And we have to keep in mind that it doesn't matter what farm the animal grew up on they are all likely going to a similar slaughterhouse. Although people like eating meat a lot of them don't realize what truly goes on in the animal agricultural industry. And they don't realize there's actually a third option - not eating any animal products at all. I think if more people knew how animal agriculture works and realized that abstaining from animal products is an option then more people would not eat meat at all.

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chortling2 t1_iybqywn wrote

Right? Redefining food as necessity rather than an indulgence for future generations has got to happen.

People like going into space but don't want to eat space food? The hypocrisy of humans knows no bounds.

Another example: people like luxury boats and are realistic about not being able to afford big ass yatchs. Yet ask them to live in an urban small space and they balk. No, we need single family homes and will fight tooth and nail to preserve our "right" to disallow multi unit housing of any kind.

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yukon-flower t1_iyfd5zd wrote

I'm not going to argue with you on those points! Just speaking theoretically here. I mean, suppose a healthy baby cow got struck by a fallen tree or died in some other sort of physical accident.

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sweetplantveal t1_iya3mgo wrote

It's a male dairy calf. The rest of its life and how it's treated is up to the farmer. Why couldn't they have a great life pre butchering?

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soylamulatta t1_iya47xr wrote

why would we butcher someone who has a great life and didn't ask to die (likely die horribly)?

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sweetplantveal t1_iya4jdw wrote

Look. I'm not here to argue all of the merits and issues with eating any meat in any situation. Pretty far off topic.

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soylamulatta t1_iyaa5f6 wrote

Redditor: asks question

Other redditor: responds to question

Redditor: I'm nOt HeRE tO ArGUe

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sweetplantveal t1_iyazh7i wrote

It's like starting a debate over which is better, Mercedes or Porsche... Then in response to an opinion, insisting cars should be outlawed in favor of bicycles only. It's just a different, if superficially related, subject.

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Megalocerus t1_iyb4vwn wrote

I'm here from the Vegetable Defense League, you lentil gobbling kingdomist. Those legumes want to live!

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