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ccncwby OP t1_j9sj2jq wrote

So this recipe was ~2 years in the works for me, constantly making small tweaks/adjustments to the ingredients until the balance of flavours was where I wanted it. In its current state there are no changes or improvements I can think of making. If anyone here makes some up I hope they agree! Some of the flavours can be a little polarizing though so I'll drop a few notes at the bottom as well. This recipe makes around 6 serves.

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Prepare the beef...

  • Use 600 grams (100 grams/serve) of a flavourful/fatty cut such as brisket or deboned short rib, preferably dry brined in the fridge overnight or minimum 3 hours with 1.5% salt by weight (for 600 grams use 9 grams salt)
  • Remove beef from fridge 2 hours before cooking, cut into ~1" cubes
  • Sear beef in a ripping hot skillet or wok with 1 tbsp oil until all sides are browned
  • Set the beef aside, but don't clean out the skillet/wok just yet

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Prepare the broth...

  • In a large pot, add
  • 5 cups water
  • 6 slices ginger
  • 2 spring onions chopped in half
  • Handful of dried chillis ^(note 1)
  • 3 tbsp Shaoxing cooking wine
  • 1/4 cup soy ^(note 2)
  • 4 tbsp MSG ^(note 3)
  • Beef from earlier

Bring to boil and reduce to a light simmer with the lid on

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Bloom the aromatics...

In the skillet/wok from earlier, add

  • 1 tbsp chilli oil (store bought or I've got a recipe here)
  • 1 tbsp red Sichuan peppercorns ^(note 4)
  • 1/2 tbsp green Sichuan peppercorns ^(note 4)
  • 4 cloves of chopped garlic
  • 6 star anise ^(note 5)
  • 2 bay leaves

Bring skillet back up to temp until fragrant, then stir in

  • 1 1/2 tbsp spicy bean paste (la doubanjian, 辣豆瓣酱)
  • 1 chopped small onion
  • 1 chopped tomato
  • 2 tbsp sugar

Stir to combine and bring to a simmer

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Bring everything together...

  • Pour aromatics into broth
  • Deglaze skillet with 1 tbsp Shaoxing cooking wine over heat and pour into broth
  • Give broth a quick stir and simmer with lid on for ~90 minutes.

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After broth has simmered for 90mins, pull out all the bits you don't want to serve in your bowls. There are two basic schools of though on this, dependant entirely on whether you want a clear very liquidy broth or don't mind keeping the chunky bits. Either way has no (or very little) impact on flavour, this is purely a decison based on aesthetics or if you do/don't want the protein...

  • The first school of thought would be to remove only the beef chunks into a seperate pot, then pour the broth through a fine mesh strainer and discard whatever remained in the strainer.
  • The second school of thought is to pour everything through a strainer and using tongs pick out and discard the stuff you don't want to keep, then empty the strainer back into the broth. Things you probably don't want to keep include;
    • Star anise
    • Ginger slices
    • Bay leaves
    • Dried chilli pods (the texture is never great in the mouth)
    • Spring onion (long slimey spring onions also aren't great in the mouth)

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To serve...

  • Cook noodles in boiling water (~150 grams/serve, Chinese white flour noodles are ideal for soups)
  • Blanch Shanghai/baby bok choy
  • Arrange noodles & bok choy into bowls, add beef chunks and pour in broth
  • Top with fresh spring onion, cilantro, and more chilli oil to taste!

Enjoy :)

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Notes...

(1) I use tien tsin chillis because they're the "correct" chilli variant for Sichuanese cuisine, but they're also similar in heat and flavour to cayennes so if that's what you have, that will do just fine. I'm also told Chili Japones are very similar in flavour too, but a little less spicy if that's what you want. If you don't like spice much at all you can just leave this step out completely too.

(2) Yes, 1/4 cup of soy. it might seem like a lot but in this recipe I've utilised the soy and Shaoxing wine to season the broth instead of salt so that 1/4 cup is very intentional and important. Also, Chinese and Japanese styles of soy are labelled differently and it can get a little confusing, so I'll just keep it simple and say "use the salty kind". Think Kikkoman or a tamari soy.

(3) Yes, 4 tablespoons of MSG. If you're the ill-informed type who still thinks MSG is bad for you then fine you can use less of it or none at all; it's your loss and I feel sorry for your soul

(4) Sichuan peppercorns are one of those polarizing flavours/sensations, and the two variants (red/green) are quite different too. The red ones have a very fragrant/floral smell and taste to them which can become kind of soapy when too much of them are used. The green ones have a much milder/palatable flavour. Both give a similar numbing/tingling sensation which goes so well with spicy food, and the salivation they cause tends to accentuate other flavours too. I've used both variants in this recipe because I personally love the flavour the red ones bring when used appropriately and have thrown in some green ones to add to the numbing/tingling sensation (it is very characteristic of Sichuanese cuisine after all!) If you don't want to buy both types, I'd recommend using only 1 tbsp of the red and leave out the green ones completely. If you find the flavour a bit much, try 1/2 tbsp of each or stick with 1 1/2 tbsp of only the green ones.

(5) Star anise is another of those polarizing flavours. Again I personally love it but some people might think 6 stars is too much, do what you want. I've found using 6 stars in the recipe makes the anise quite prominent on the nose but barely noticable in the mouth so it's a good balance and helps give the broth a complex texture of flavours.

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ccncwby OP t1_j9soyq7 wrote

Lmao it's so weird it's not showing for some people, I can see it on the app and browser. Here's a link with a simple text file of the recipe. If that doesn't work lemme know and I guess I'll publish a damn pdf for you somewhere hahaha.

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Moxely t1_j9sp6ob wrote

Hmm, that link is dead but I’m wondering if this is maybe Reddit’s server room being on fire. Tomorrow I’ll look at the windows version and see if I can get the recipe. If not we will trade- I’ve worked in enough restaurants to pick up a few tricks you might be interested in 😜

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ccncwby OP t1_j9spmah wrote

Try the link again. The last hosting site auto-deleted after just a single download haha. I've just updated it to a different host

I'd definitely be keen to see what tricks you have! Food is just a hobby for me lmao

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RickedSab t1_j9sysjf wrote

Looks smashing! Now I want some 🥺

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Isellmetal t1_j9t3mfh wrote

The human body digests and metabolizes MSG extremely well. Even for people sensitive to it, several grams typically need to be ingested for negative effects to be felt such as headaches, drowsiness or upset stomach and there’s still zero proof of a True allergy to msg even existing.

So basically just like everything in life, moderation is key.

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Shiny_and_ChromeOS t1_j9t8k2e wrote

For anyone trying to buy the specific bean paste for Sichuan cooking, it's usually labeled as broad bean paste to distinguish it from the many other Chinese fermented bean pastes.

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ccncwby OP t1_j9t99el wrote

Thanks for the heads up! I've also seen it labelled a few different names here in NZ too which is why I included the pinyin as well as Chinese characters lol. I think often people get it wrong and buy doubanjiang instead of la doubanjiang. For anyone wondering, the "la" literally means spicy. If in doubt just search for the pot with those exact Chinese characters though, can't go wrong.

A little side note about la doubanjiang; if you're someone like me who loves the fermented salty umami goodness of marmite on buttered toast, then you can use la doubanjiang in the exact same manner lol. I usually try keep a little pot in the fridge for this exact purpose, it's delicious!

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ccncwby OP t1_j9tb7yx wrote

The bok choy is blanched in boiling water for 30 seconds or so (the same pot as was used to cook the noodles}, just enough to heat and sterilise it but it still keeps nice and crispy. I usually only let the leafy part under water for a couple seconds so they don't turn too wilted.

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Shiny_and_ChromeOS t1_j9tbic9 wrote

I have seen non Sichuan style spicy doubanjiang from brands like Har Har so I always point out the broad bean labeling. The Sichuan broad bean variety is also referred to as Pixian doubanjiang. I've seen it offered in denser, less liquid consistency so it can be squeezed dry out of a pouch.

The comparison to Marmite really amuses me. I may need to try Marmite now!

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ccncwby OP t1_j9tbzpd wrote

Ahh interesting! I've never come across it but am definitely going to seek it out next time. I've definitely been using a different variety this entire time lol. Hope I'm not doing Sichuan cuisine a huge injustice 😭

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IntrepidButtSniffer t1_j9tdpos wrote

This looks fucked up good. Can’t wait to try your recipe. Thank you

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spatosmg t1_j9tebcm wrote

looks awesome i have this one or twice a month

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Shiny_and_ChromeOS t1_j9teefj wrote

Your recipe is fabulous! Food is a function of its time and place. With all the other ingredients adding such robust flavors, a variance in bean paste is no cause for concern. If anything it makes it a little special as your own unique experience. Besides broad bean pastes wildly vary in flavor and consistency within their own category. The store bought dryer variety is heavy on the beans and not as spicy. Another brand I got from the restaurant supply store was spicier and crazy salty. The brand our restaurant ended up sourcing from a Union Foods importer in New York City is the most liquid and runny one I've used because it's blended with sesame oil and so much chili sauce that it's a vivid red.

BTW if you enjoy the pungent notes from star anise, you may also enjoy cardamom but be very careful. A little cardamom goes a long way. Our entire vat of braising liquid uses only a couple of pods.

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ccncwby OP t1_j9temc5 wrote

"fucked up good" 😂😂😂

I mean I'm pretty sure that's intended as a compliment but then I saw it's coming from someone who butt sniffing is like their whole thing so now idk anymore 😂 are they the same kind of fucked up good? Lmao

P.S. Your sourdoughs look on point! That's some serious talent. I've never had the patience for dough lmao

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ConcreteKahuna t1_j9tf2if wrote

The only change I think I'll make is dial back the anise a bit because my homemade chili oil is already pretty anise-ey (because like you I quite like that flavor!) Will definitely report back

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ccncwby OP t1_j9tf9yc wrote

Ahh man you make me want to explore all these varieties of bean pastes, they all sound unique and delicious in their own way!

The chilli oil I use in this recipe is also home-made, and the oil is infused with black cardamom as well as cloves 😉 I love using these pungent spices for their smells, they create such amazing and complex aromas!

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turd-crafter t1_j9tg0ry wrote

Ooooh ya. I’m making this tonight! Thank you!

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LukeeC4 t1_j9thd6r wrote

I have flu atm and this looks incredibly appetising, but I don’t have the energy to go get ingredients and make it. I’ll try it out when I’m better!

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ccncwby OP t1_j9thyb0 wrote

Hahaha it's like the perfect flu cure but also quite a bit of effort so I totally get it. It usually takes me 2 1/2 to 3 hours to make from prep to cleanup, by the time that's done I don't even have the same enthusiasm anymore so it just goes in the fridge for tomorrow 😂 no way you'd catch me cooking this if I was sick lmao.

Hope you get better soon bro!

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IntrepidButtSniffer t1_j9tleyf wrote

A compliment for sure!

Thank you, I love bread and bread making. Anyone can do it, it takes some patience and understanding, trial and error but it’s a nice process. Something very humbling and joyful about making a nice loaf.

I don’t actually sniff butts but I do like Catan.

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SmashBusters t1_j9tlfxg wrote

I have two packs of shirataki noodles that I really need to use because they've already passed the "Best By" date.

I saw the picture and I was like "OH that looks PERFECT!"

Then I saw the recipe and I was like "...fuck me that's a lot of work"

That being said, I still might do it.

I don't keep MSG on hand, but I have TJ's Umami seasoning and fish sauce. Would either/or work as subs?

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joleme t1_j9tlmdh wrote

I can't say I understand the reasoning behind it. There are diminishing returns on it, and 4tbsp is a friggan ton. I liberally shake a bottle of it over some of our food and MAYBE would end up using 1tbsp in an entire skillet/pan of something. OP also comes across as a bit elitist and rude.

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ccncwby OP t1_j9tmbqm wrote

If there's any bread that would get me into baking it would be a dense/dark rye 😩😩😩 so good toasted with way too much butter and some finishing salt.

I love how the density means it retains moisture even when you toast it, so you have this beautiful moist bread with hot crispy toasted surfaces and then the juiciness of melted butter lol. Simply amazing.

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redditguysays t1_j9tmt1j wrote

Your comment got me curious, so I actually went to the kitchen and weighed out the MSG. My scale says 1TB = 14g. So we're talking 64g of MSG. While not close to 100g, it still seems like a LOT. I mean, my bag of MSG says for 5 servings of soup, add 1/2 TB. This recipe is for ~6 servings.

I use MSG in lots of things, but the amount in this recipe seems high. This egg drop soup recipe from woksoflife for 6 servings uses 1/4 teaspoon. If you search on their website for MSG, most of the recipes for a similar number of servings uses about that much. Just search for MSG, and it'll show recipes that contain that ingredient.

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ccncwby OP t1_j9tntmp wrote

Haha yea it's a fair bit of work involved but worth it if you've got a day free 😂

I'm not super familiar with that umami seasoning, and as good as it looks the mushroom version of umami has always been it's own thing in my opinion? Probably because of it's own unique flavours it brings to the party. It could totally work though!

Fish sauce would be a hard no though lmao.

If you happen to have miso paste or powder on hand it could work as a good alternative though, just watch the salt content and reduce the soy as necessary.

Or just go buy a small bag of MSG lol that stuff's cheap.

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CookieKeeperN2 t1_j9tnxfs wrote

6 star anise is waaaay too much. A standard in Chinese cooking is using 1-2 per 1kg (2.2lbs) of meat. It is not about if you like the flavor. Star anise has strong flavors. If you use 6 you overpower the rest of the flavor and destroys balances.

Here is the standard version. This chef is Sichuanese and this dish is actually accessible. I'd say one thing you can do to improve the flavor of the soup/beef is to stir fry the spices (especially the spice bean paste) to fully release its flavor, and then sear up the beef cubes in it. Also add a bit of sugar while you sear the beef cubes. It works miraculously.

Personally, I don't add MSG. soy sauce has enough of it. Instead of soy sauce, I add 黄豆酱 (soy bean sauce). This fermented bean product also includes plenty MSG, and it also softens up the meat. The chef used 芝麻酱/豆腐乳 which served the same purpose.

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ccncwby OP t1_j9tqe2k wrote

Hey thanks! I'll definitely look at those other products you've mentioned! Always trying to learn more about foods haha.

I knew the anise would be polarizing 😂 you're just going to have to trust me when I say that 6 is prominent on the nose but not in the mouth. If it were in any way overpowering other flavours then I would have cut back. About that recipe you showed, the chef may have only used 3 stars but he also chucked in a handful of fennel seeds which contain a high amount of the exact same chemical (anethole) that gives it's flavour.

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Surtock t1_j9tqht5 wrote

This sounds wonderful, and aside from the green peppercorns, I have all of these ingredients on hand. I'll definitely be giving this a go.
One question regarding the sheer amount of MSG. 4tbs! That sounds like a lot in 5L of water. I'm still learning how one uses MSG, but maybe I'm mistaken in thinking that a little goes a long way?
Maybe that has been my issue, I'm simply not using enough.
I have been only using a sprinkling per plate when cooking.

Edit: A word

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UloPe t1_j9trb4b wrote

This looks so good 🤤

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ccncwby OP t1_j9ttj7e wrote

I think people mistakingly use MSG like salt, but the thing is salt has its own very strong flavour. The same thing cannot be said for MSG so it's very hard to use "too much". Instead of imparting it's own flavour into food, it tends to make existing flavours "richer" if that makes sense?

There is definitely a trick to knowing when to use it, and that's if your dish would be improved by having richer/heartier flavours. As to how much, just taste and adjust until it's however you want it to be. Food and flavours are often a personal thing so there's no single right answer 😊

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sharksnrec t1_j9tw6td wrote

This looks like it was made in a studio ghibli movie

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skdewit t1_j9twlj0 wrote

I just ate a bowl of Raisin Bran 😫 this looks amazing! Way better than Raisin Bran!

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Surtock t1_j9tx5wi wrote

I add it to a few dishes when I remember to. I use it sparingly bc I don't want to throw anything out and have to start a new dinner, usually. I do taste as I go, but I worry that the flavor will become more pronounced as this dish comes together or that my taste buds are simply dead compared to my partners. I'm going all in next time!

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ccncwby OP t1_j9tx6hs wrote

I don't usually like taking photos of food, but this time I did try make it look pretty 😅

Thanks! lol anime noodles always look so amazing 😩 idk if its from the same studio but you should watch cat soup lmaoo it's so strange but captivating.

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gwenten090 t1_j9tys1b wrote

On a scale of White to Mexican how spicy is this.

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ccncwby OP t1_j9u0jjb wrote

If you use the same chillis I've used I'd guess it's getting pretty close to Mexican. But you gotta understand I'm in NZ so don't have the best grasp of how hot proper Mexican hot is. But please also understand that I often use superhots in cooking so there's that to consider too lol. This isn't quite as hot as the candied habaneros I also made today, but I'm guessing if the habs would make you perspire then these noodles might just make you slightly red faced?

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dontstealmypenguin t1_j9u2c67 wrote

You're recipe looks insanely good, and I love msg but 4 tablespoons sounds like an incredulous amount. I'm just comparing to salt in my mind and of course 4 tablespoons of salt would probably kill you and make it taste like seawater. Is this not the case with msg? Just asking as I eat a lot of things with msg in but have never used pure msg itself as an ingredient.

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Mrgndana t1_j9u79uw wrote

I think this is the dish I used to have for lunch occasionally when I was working in HK, with beef shin, and it was SO GOOD. Will definitely try making this!

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BTulkas t1_j9ub7px wrote

I will never be able to refer to noodles any other way. Thank you.

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chaun2 t1_j9uc5ks wrote

>(3) Yes, 4 tablespoons of MSG. If you're the ill-informed type who still thinks MSG is bad for you then fine you can use less of it or none at all; it's your loss and I feel sorry for your soul

Lol. That's perfect. Worked in food for a couple decades. All fast food has msg in the meats and cheeses. Though I would use more like 4 teaspoons.

The rest of the recipe appears to be pretty much the exact same as what I used to make in the restaurants I cooked at. You could probably double the soy sauce TBH. We didn't used bay leaf, I will have to try that. We cheated on the broth of course, and used chicken broth that had been simmering for hours, instead of water.

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S_Klass t1_j9ueghy wrote

I see chili seeds and whole peppercorns. Looks spicy! Yum! Any Sichuan pepper in there?

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bobbywjamc t1_j9uqv4c wrote

Thanks for sharing, I'm now inspired

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Caylennea t1_j9uwqr9 wrote

Right! I was just going on a small rant about this to my coworker who I then realized is one of those ill informed people who still thinks msg is bad for you. I use like 1.5 tbs in a large pot of pho max! I can’t even imagine what 4 tbs in 5 cups of water would taste like! He is also using too much star anise. He must have barely functional tastebuds or something…

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rjoker103 t1_j9uzt4h wrote

This looks fantastic! I can taste the Sichuan spiciness in my mouth!!

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g0f0 t1_j9v2kml wrote

This is the most authentic recipe I’ve seen on Reddit.

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Shiny_and_ChromeOS t1_j9v5wlt wrote

Fermented black beans definitely add a unique funk that's not found in more homogeneous sauces.

We used a combination of both broad bean paste and fermented black beans for the twice cooked pork belly at the restaurant. Be sure to mash or chop your black beans for maximum funk!

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APEist28 t1_j9v6fjt wrote

Dude, thank you for this write up. I gave the woks of life version of this a go and it was great, but still needed some tweaking. I'm going to try yours next.

Also, I didn't know that the green peppercorns are less floral so thanks for that tidbit. I love the flavor of the red peppercorns too, but I tend to overdue it and unbalance the flavors. The thing is, I don't want to reduce the amount of numbing because I love that too. From what you're saying, it sounds like I can swap some of the red for green to maintain the numbing and reduce the other flavors - is that right?

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sabersticks t1_j9vnx3l wrote

Sichuanese is not a word, its just sichuan

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RuralCaribou t1_j9vos4p wrote

Learn from comments and prepare from the masters in your cuisine. Watching and learning from your top chefs in your Sichuan style will teach you technique. Your bowl is beautiful.

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ccncwby OP t1_j9vrafx wrote

Thank you! Yup I definitely intend to repeat this at some point in the future but stick to an incredibly authentic recipe, to re-establish a sort of baseline for what it should be lol. Absolutely I think it's important to understand the origins and flavours of provincial cuisines. That being said I'm not deceiving myself by thinking this recipe is ultra authentic, rather it's been adjusted and tweaked to my own personal preferences using provincial flavours/spices.

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ccncwby OP t1_j9w4lto wrote

I'm not sure if it's in a Tai Ping because it's not one that I frequent but these places usually stock the same stuff anyway? I've found it in Da Hua and Lim Chour though. I'll go take a photo of it quickly and DM you lol so you know what to look for.

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ccncwby OP t1_j9w6fxe wrote

This is the la doubanjiang I've been using. It's the four red Chinese characters (辣豆瓣酱) which I usually look out for, I've spotted a few different brands on the shelves in the past too. Typically I'll go to Da Hua or Lim Chour but I've noticed most the Chinese supermarkets usually stock the same stuff so I'd assume you could find it at Tai Ping also?

All that aside, u/Shiny_and_ChromeOS is saying that "Pixian douban" (郫縣豆瓣) is actually the more correct fermented bean paste variety if you'd rather keep everything provincial.

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mrklez t1_j9w6gwx wrote

More nood pics, please.

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AnDuineBhoAlbaNuadh t1_j9w6nqs wrote

This looks so fucking good. And I have everything for it in my house. And it's going to be -26°c tomorrow. Thank you!

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AnDuineBhoAlbaNuadh t1_j9w7d2a wrote

Eastern Canada. To be fair that's the wind chill, I think the physical temp is going to only be -20 to -22. Got down to -50 overnight about three weeks ago with the wind, that's the coldest I've ever experienced and I hope I don't ever again.

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ccncwby OP t1_j9w8cdu wrote

That's mental. I've only ever been to Canada in the summer, but it was to the Cold Lakes where you only got about 4 hours of darkness a night lmao. Even then the air felt fresh, certainly not warm. I'd hate to think what a winter is like let alone -50 lmaoooo.

I've also been down to Antarctica a few times during the summer, 0 degrees there you're still in a singlet because it's so dry you just don't feel the cold. -15 might warrant some kind of long sleeve but it's definitely the wind that kills you when it starts blowing lol. I'm quite happy with todays 20°C though lmao

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AnDuineBhoAlbaNuadh t1_j9wdgj8 wrote

-50 is wildly below average for us where I live. It regularly ranges from +10 to -30 ish in the dead of winter but probably usually stays around -8. I live in the ocean though so the wind and the humid nature make it feel worse sometimes and gets you could right to your bones if you aren't dressed properly. It also gets up past +35°c at the height of summer often with a lot of humidity on top of that, we have quite a lot of variability in the seasons! I like all our seasons and enjoy being outdoors unless it's below -30 with the windchill or above +32 unless it's super humid! That being said I wouldn't mind +20 tomorrow haha.

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Musole t1_j9wryeu wrote

Where is your home and can I have seconds?

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Peopleopener t1_j9x8k12 wrote

Dude fuck me up with some bok choy in a spicy broth with noodles. The rest is just bonus

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kirsten0789 t1_ja7dskg wrote

Did you only sear the beef, or also boil it in the broth for any amount of time?

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ccncwby OP t1_ja9gvch wrote

Hey yup the beef goes into the broth to simmer for 90 mins also, it allows the collagens to gelatinise and become super soft/tender as well as the fats to melt through the broth

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