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Proof of concept is VERY early in a possible product’s lifecycle.

True (and this is probably the wrong sub for this kind of news), but this kind of development could be very good news for a great number of people. Right now the most 'non-invasive' glucose meter is a probe that goes through your skin into your bloodstream with a puck that sticks outside of your body that you have to tape on, and you have to replace that every week or two. Reducing that to just wearing a watch is like a paradigm shift.

Yeah, a large portion of projects at the proof-of-concept stage never make it to launch. Probably more than 80%

If this works out, it'll be life changing for newly diagnosed diabetics and pediatric patients (as well as the entire diabetic population as a whole). Hoping this won't end up like scammy theranos!

I’m type one diabetic. Even the Dexcom and other continuous glucose monitoring technology released today to the public aren’t working perfectly. Far from it, since they don’t work on me hardly at all. Completely different technology all together, but worth noting as it’s something I’ve heard would happen for over a decade.

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Link?

As someone with T1D, this would actually make me buy an apple watch lol...

T1 here too and as an Android guy this would make me entirely switch to iPhone/watch, no question.

No we don’t. There’s multiple startups working on getting this tech approved however there’s no widely available monitors that are being sold at a commercial level.

The technology is still in it’s infancy and to claim it’s already in use is just plain false.

There is definitely a small difference between Theranos and Apple. It will come down to, if it’s actually feasible and it makes $ sense to build / mass produce and make profits. If all those boxes are checked, very likely Apple will release it. Theranos was horse poop.

I already wear a smartwatch. If I could do that and avoid having to manually check my blood glucose levels, I’d be on board.

Awesome I just bought an Ultra and was worried that such a feature might be right around the corner….now I don’t mind waiting a couple years

We do?

I'd cave and buy the apple watch if this came to market

I had been holding out on upgrading my Series 1 watch since the 4 was announced, waiting for this feature, and of course this gets announced right after I finally upgraded it lmao

Yes I know it’s just proof of concept, but it’s still another step closer lol 😂

So how does this work with the Apple Watch ban I just read about a few posts back?

How big is the market for diabetics who need to regularly check their glucose levels?

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Doesn’t matter what brand, if i dont have to poke my finger daily then thats a life changer.

I think it’s about 1/10 in the US and in Canada with the rates continuing to climb each year.

It would be a day 1 purchase for my mom and dad. Can’t wait. We need healthy tech to advance quickly. 🙏

I’m excited to see this in action!

I’ve loved my Apple Watch since the first pre-order. And I’m wearing a CGM right now because I’m trying to avoid the T2D diagnosis.

When I switched to dexcom sensors that was a life changer. Not having even that would be great.

I wonder if this is something where you can constantly monitor your glucose level regardless of whether you are diabetic or not. Sort of like the heart rate monitor to let you know if your levels are off and you need to take action. Or you are consuming too much and need to slow down.

I wonder if it will announce loudly: “WARNING LOW SUGAR ALERT” about 4x - like I’ve heard coming from a person or persons one time in a doctor’s office?

Still it’s a great breakthrough

Yeah the article mentions they are going after type 2 and “pre diabetics” so I think that’s the plan

It seems like there's a flood of posts about Apple Watch to try and leverage public opinion to pressure Biden into reversing the ban. Look forward to more 'wow this is so revolutionary, if only we could have it...' kinds of posts.

I'm just waiting for the Better Off Ted references when this turns out to not work so well on dark-skinned people. (sort of like those cheapo oxygen sensor finger doodads.)

The fact that’s it’s possible is great. Even if Apple doesn’t take it further for some reason, I’d hope that their POC would have incentivized some medical tech companies to give it a shot.

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The applications of this outside of diabetics is massive. Think of all the apps that could use this information

I'm an avowed Apple hater. Can't stand the company, don't think their products are anything special by and large, and while I do own a Mac and an iPad for development purposes, I never use them outside that purpose and never would. I'm simply not a fan.

But, I'm also diabetic, and that will all change the day they release this. I'll buy an iPhone and an Apple Watch day one. Most especially if, as I assume, it would be continuous monitoring (and assuming it's accurate, obviously).

Paradigm shift is exactly right.

If they can pull this off, it'll be a real game changer for a lot (and a growing number) of people. They will have earned my money, if not my adoration, for sure.

Other companies are working on it too! I can use freestyle libre with my Samsung now tho, but more info can't hurt...

I'm pretty sure your citation says nothing about blood glucose and I love it because that's the most reddit thing someone could do.

Yeah, for sure, and I'd love to see Samsung beat them to the punch so I don't NEED to go Apple. But this would be such a big deal that I'd be willing to jump ship. Hope I don't have to though.

Samsung is well on its way to this. I can't wait, as I really love the Watch Pro 5.

https://www.nextpit.com/samsung-oled-blood-pressure-sugar-monitoring-features

Oh good.. I really like my galaxy active 2. Then I wouldn't have to switch :D

Full agree!

Just give me the blood pressure monitor and I’m sold

If you never had to spend more money on cgms at some point these watches would pay for themselves's

Finally, Samsung is doing something right in the smartwatch game.

I think Apple put this out to make people think they're on track. But they're really behind (again). They are just good at advertising little things.

I can't do the Apple ecosystem. Have been into computers since '82 - I like my open systems.

Meta Materials Inc. is working on something called "glucose wise" and they've already done human trials. Same concept.

Rumors of the glucose monitor watch have been around for many years. It would be really nice if this technology were possible, reliable, and commercially available. Yes, please.

There are currently 30 companies working on CGM, I do hope Apple is not stealing and crushing one of those companies. Like destroying AliveCor.

Little correction, the probe measures glucose in interstitial fluid not blood

Freestyle Libre 3 is amazing. Size of a dime

“Behind again”?

I saved the names of the companies and their progress on CGM, can’t post the picture here. Sad.

Not many details and it sounds like existing tech. They all tend to suffer from the same issue, environmental factors cause too many variations in the results.

If you can get one 😑

I use the Libre 2 and it's not really that big and it's pretty cheap relatively!

There isn't anything wrong with the Libre 2. I wanted to switch from the Dexcom G6 to the Libre 3, but no one could get them in (my scrip is still waiting on availability). Got the Libre 2, instead, though for some reason even that is a bit spotty with availability between my local pharmacies and my mail order prescription service.

The diabetes tech market is valued at well over 50billion USD, and hundreds of millions more will develop type 2 in the coming years.

Ahh I see! Well good luck! It's always stressful!

Apple has their faults, but the Watch is definitely not one of them. Samsung continues to get closer and hopefully Google keeps making the Pixel Watch, but the Apple Watch is still miles ahead

If it means actually getting a working product to market I'd be fine with it tbh

I hear you and sadly so would we. Husband tried one of the sensors for a month and it is awesome.

I am somewhat involved in the development of this device and I kind of feel proud reading this comment 😁

Yep. At the very least, it’ll be 3 years before a commercial product launches with the tech. But more than likely about 5 years away.

Legitimately Apple would crush the market if they are first to market with this and its reliability accrue and FFA approved. As a T1D I can tell you most people would buy one since it would eliminate the large cost of having a CGM currently. Almost unlimited press and a couple million watches. Throw in a couple fitness gurus and such and you have a cash cow. People will upgrade for a 5% boost in accuracy or whatever they will claim. It would be BIG

yeah, don't feel bad about upgrading, this is great news and a step towards that, but it's a long way to go. if u need an upgrade and it's not coming next year or even the year after next, u still would've got ur money's worth. don't sweat it L:)

You should try Senseonics if it's covered for you.

So this basically means nothing

I have hypoglycemia that is mostly just a mild inconvenience but sometimes very scary. This would legit be the best thing ever. I imagine it would also help a lot of people who don’t realize they are pre diabetic or having unusual blood sugar swings tackle it early.

My younger sister (mid 20s) LOVES hers too. She strongly dislikes dexcom products. Practically saved her life one night - around 3am while sleeping her blood sugar was rapidly dropping, triggering her emergency text message alarms to family members.

She was so deeply out of it that her incoming phone calls/app alarms weren’t waking her. Eventually we got her boyfriend to her and he ended up sort of force feeding her. If he had been later in arriving we would’ve had to call 911. He said she was catatonic.

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Happy to read that it helps people so much. I don't directly work on medical devices, but my company makes stuff which is used for the production of this device (can't get more specific than that, there are NDAs) and it's always a good feeling when I realize that my work has real impact on people's lives.

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It won’t make it through proof of concept. Photonics don’t like dark things like dark skin. The melanin concentration distorts the “laser” and desensitize the reading.

I remember reading about this maybe 4 years ago? A university in Boston had developed a method with LIDAR to successfully monitor glucose levels in a beaker of water. Assuming they're using tech from that study I wouldn't be surprised if it's closer than we think

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Yeah i have heard about dexcom- thinking about mentioning to my primary care.

Non diabetics really shouldn't worry about their blood sugar at all.