Yea a heard the Sundara and I have to say they sounded very good to me and good for the price point as well.

I suppose overall I just wasn't bowled over. I was still a little tempted to grab them with the discount and being told my phone or portable amp are enough, but decided impulse purches probably aren't healthy in this hobby.

I'll have to check out ZMF. I'm not not actually familiar with them.