Grahamshabam t1_iur4udr wrote
Reply to comment by Atilim87 in When it comes to Cuba's military victory at the Bay of Pigs, does Che Guevara deserve any credit or should it be assigned exclusively to Castro's leadership? by Anglicanpolitics123
people really hate being invaded
blahbleh112233 t1_iur91dc wrote
Also doesnt help that us backed regimes in south america have a nasty habit of gross human rights abuses
ezrs158 t1_iurarvx wrote
US backed regimes in South America everywhere have a nasty habit of gross human rights abuses. Cuba, Nicaragua, Egypt, Iran, Panama, etc.
blahbleh112233 t1_iurbtou wrote
Dont disagree. But from a propaganda perspective. SA mattered more. Pretty easy to tell the population that things will be much worsen when the US is in charge when you dont need to lie about it
Grahamshabam t1_iurcocn wrote
that’s not very relevant here. Bay of Pigs was 7 years before Operation Condor, and it also ignores Soviet influence on Cuba. not judging the merits of communism but any country that aligned with the soviets isn’t likely to treat the capitalist invasion as liberators
CanuckPanda t1_iureiw7 wrote
It doesn’t, however, ignore the entirety of the Monroe Doctrine.
The US government had treated the Americas as its personal political sandbox for 140 years by the time of the Cuban Revolution. South and Central Americans already had generations of experience with “American interests” in their lands.
Grahamshabam t1_iurmur2 wrote
Along with generations of experience in spanish influence, french influence and were in the midst of soviet influence
the united states obviously has caused huge problems in south america but you’re being overly simplistic. the biggest thing that gets left out of these discussions is that while the us-backed coups were against democratically elected leaders, there were also large parts of the populations that supported the coups.
to this day you can talk to older chileans who have complicated feelings about pinochet because of how much they disliked allende. allende’s party didn’t even have a congressional majority at the time when they were still a democracy. these countries aren’t ideological monoliths and those leaders may well have seized power without the US’s help. switching to my personal belief is that the big issue is that we messed with the right of south americans to self determination, and the actual political outcomes are way too complicated for outsiders to talk about confidently
alekk88 t1_iut1i2p wrote
They had no need to look south to figure out what being in a us-backed regime is like. They just had to remember what it was like for decades before Fidel reached Havana
Flavaflavius t1_iuspikx wrote
Regimes everywhere have a nasty habit of human rights abuses; we don't call them that if they don't.
ComradeGibbon t1_ius65di wrote
I read a paper on the difference between NGO's and the military doing non military projects in foreign countries. Turns out locals tend to just grumble if an NGO does something unpopular. The military no matter what it is results in hard resistance.
rockrnger t1_iurj8qo wrote
Castro invaded cuba with 50 guys and boat. And the first thing he did was sink the boat.
Davebr0chill t1_ius4308 wrote
Castro was cuban and actually popular with the lower classes. This is fundamentally different from another country invading
alekk88 t1_iut2580 wrote
And then he won against a national army supplied by the United States
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