Submitted by Puzzleheaded-Wonder9 t3_yyv1y6 in jerseycity
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imaluckyduckie t1_iwwholt wrote
Do we really need to alert the masses to this?
possums101 t1_iwwj826 wrote
You would prefer poor people get arrested or a court summons? Help me out here why would you give a shit if someone is fare jumping?
Edit: oh boy looks like you luxury dickheads found me!
assanza t1_iwwka2g wrote
Exactly, victimless crime, right? Just like stealing from CVS or whatever. /s
halsuissda t1_iwwkp6l wrote
They were doing that at 9 am on Wednesday as well.
Nexis4Jersey t1_iwwq24u wrote
They hide cops behind the wall waiting for people to jump the gates...
Jckev t1_iwwq5bm wrote
Definitely not when I'm there, hah.
Nexis4Jersey t1_iwwqc41 wrote
Its usually offpeak..and sometimes on long holiday weekends.
mad_dog_94 t1_iwwqvzh wrote
good looking out
mad_dog_94 t1_iwwqyjd wrote
FunCandy8149 t1_iwwqyqm wrote
Finally!
HappyArtichoke7729 t1_iwwr5vg wrote
You have mental problems.
possums101 t1_iwwr77z wrote
Okay I’ll bite. Who’s the victim in fare evasion and shoplifting from CVS?
JS_NYC_208 t1_iwws3us wrote
Mall cops are finally doing something!
postbox134 t1_iwwszfj wrote
They were at Grove st yesterday AM
sutisuc t1_iwwtemd wrote
The notoriously beloved port authority and the corporation CVS. This sub loves the port authority and corporations right?
TexasTheBlackCat t1_iwwuhb1 wrote
You clearly never been broke
RebeccaLoneBrook29 t1_iwwvird wrote
Make it free. I love that accessible entrance.
Hazel2468 t1_iwwvxc8 wrote
Nah I’m with you on this. Cops stand around all day where I am. Don’t give a shit about everyone nearly getting run over by fucking bikes who can’t decide if they’re pedestrians or vehicles. Can’t enforce that. Can barely give a shit when you call them for actual help.
But harassing people who fare jump? Oh top priority.
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FloatingWeight t1_iwx3wcl wrote
The victim in those situations (aside from CVS and PA) would be the customers and tax payers who subsidize theft with higher costs. Not to mention have you been to a store where everything is locked up ? Shit is ass,
Do you really think CVS is eating the cost ? Or they just pass than on to customers, same with PA and tax payers
fltlsyko t1_iwx8i81 wrote
I mean, they DO have budgets allotted for dime outs, expired goods, damaged goods, and... stolen goods. It's called shrink, and it gets written off.
ismokeweedle t1_iwx9luf wrote
ismokeweedle t1_iwx9q8c wrote
It’s $2.75. Don’t be a boot licker.
GioDesa t1_iwxa29j wrote
Have you not heard of all these drug stores closing down due to massive shoplifting? Its happening all over NYC and its becoming a problem in some areas because people no longer have access to a drug store close by.
Also, next time you need anything that costs more than $8 and you have to spend 5 minutes wandering around looking for a store manager to unlock it from the case...you can thank shoplifters. Drug stores also raise prices to offset some of their shoplifting losses. Its not victimless. It impacts the rest of society negatively.
worstquadrant t1_iwxb0cs wrote
The lords work….. yikes
eight13atnight t1_iwxc97j wrote
Aren’t they a different set of cops? JCPD are different than transit cops
zmchiban t1_iwxcvfq wrote
The city has budget adjustment for waste, too. It’s called tax increases.
Awt5 t1_iwxdcz8 wrote
someone fare jumping means someone else paying the fare
Recurringferry t1_iwxh695 wrote
Good
NickIsAGuyinBK t1_iwxik8y wrote
lol bikes ok
JonstheSquire t1_iwxmnh9 wrote
People don't like the Port Authority because of how shitty the PATH is, which is partially a function of fair evasion.
boojieboy666 t1_iwxo5zc wrote
You’re doing Gods work, mate.
Pass off your used tickets to people walking to the train. I always do.
Wouldn’t mind paying if the light rail had better service and was clean, but it’s not.
fatporkchop2712 t1_iwxomjl wrote
Well, don't do it...
scubastefon t1_iwxph1r wrote
“Wtf man you have insurance, I don’t get why you’re so pissed that I burned your house down.”
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blehhhhblahhhh t1_iwxs0h4 wrote
You say shit like this but that type of attitude is what leads to becoming like San Fran. Cops won’t do shit til you steal over 1k
sutisuc t1_iwxs25u wrote
Uh huh. Do you have a source on that?
sutisuc t1_iwxsbjh wrote
How do you know the evasion is fair?
Hazel2468 t1_iwxsi6g wrote
I mean. Or cars that hit people on bikes
Hazel2468 t1_iwxso26 wrote
I know it’s an unpopular opinion on this sub for some reason but idgaf. acab bud. I’ve had clients who either had to choose between fare-hopping or their fucking medication because they were down to the cent and homeless. Prosecuting fare hoppers is a waste of time and an excuse to harass people.
azthrowaway666 t1_iwxu18q wrote
Parking-Holiday314 t1_iwxv0fk wrote
You know other modern countries have free transit.
biryan1 t1_iwxvppp wrote
May be but other people who actually pay, bear the brunt of those idiots who are freeriding!
DontBeEvil1 t1_iwy02ae wrote
Because it's illegal.
DontBeEvil1 t1_iwy05sd wrote
If you're breaking the law, a cop isn't harassing you. They are literally doing their job. Something's wrong with your minds.
DontBeEvil1 t1_iwy0abn wrote
Why stop there? Poor people should steal from other people too. If they need it, what's wrong in taking it? 🤦
DontBeEvil1 t1_iwy0d5m wrote
You know this transit in this city in this country isn't free, right?
DontBeEvil1 t1_iwy0fzq wrote
Get a job and pay for things you have to pay for, like the rest of us mere mortals are expected to do.
DontBeEvil1 t1_iwy0jbo wrote
God has nothing to do with theft.
Ask-Downtown t1_iwydufd wrote
Which country? Tiny Luxemburg?
Ask-Downtown t1_iwye2ic wrote
I dont think it's right to assume that everyone jumping the turnstile is poor - there's some prejudice against poor ppl in you comment.
nomad1987 t1_iwyhpiq wrote
This is a lie
Lowkeylowthreadcount t1_iwyxizq wrote
LateralEntry t1_iwyxrag wrote
All of us. We all have to pay more taxes and higher fares for maintenance because of people freeloading.
LateralEntry t1_iwyxxd9 wrote
Good
RemyDWD t1_iwz0y9u wrote
> Have you not heard of all these drug stores closing down due to massive shoplifting? Its happening all over NYC and its becoming a problem in some areas because people no longer have access to a drug store close by.
About that…
> In fact, the two reported Manhattan Rite Aid closures appear to be part of a nationwide downsizing. In December, Rite Aid said it would be closing 63 stores “to reduce costs, drive improved profitability, and ensure that we have a healthy foundation to grow from, with the right stores in the right locations, for the communities we serve and for our business.” Shoplifting was not a listed rationale. Asked about the Manhattan store closures — and whether shoplifting played any role — a Rite Aid spokesperson says only that that the decisions “are based on a variety of factors that retail businesses consider such as overarching business strategy, lease and rent considerations, local business conditions and viability, and store performance.” Again, no mention of shoplifting.
https://www.curbed.com/2022/02/shoplifters-arent-why-nycs-chain-pharmacies-are-closing.html
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PICHICONCACA t1_iwz1746 wrote
Is interesting to me how many people support fascist state.
FloatingWeight t1_iwz1as9 wrote
One of the Richest girl(at least parents) I know jumps turn styles
PICHICONCACA t1_iwz1d8i wrote
The pigs are out in the town.
GioDesa t1_iwz1r9z wrote
Heres a Rite Aid article to the contrary.
Rite Aid CEO Heyward Donigan told analysts the company “experienced unexpected headwinds this quarter from front-end shrink, particularly in our New York urban stores.”
Donigan noted the company has begun “shrinking our footprint” in New York City as it proceeds with a plan to close dozens of less-profitable stores.
The company said a $5 million year-over-year increase in “shrink” – a term in the retail industry meaning losses related to theft, fraud or administrative errors – had cut into its profits*. Rite Aid’s chief retail officer Andre Persaud expanded on the point – stating* NYC-area losses from shoplifting had worsened despite the company’s efforts to improve “product protection.”
https://nypost.com/2022/09/30/rite-aid-executives-bemoan-out-of-control-nyc-shoplifting-at-stores/
mooseLimbsCatLicks t1_iwz3i9c wrote
These posts are allowed, it’s not illegal to advise people that cops are setting traps. That’s why Wyze can tell you when there is a cop checking for speeding, and radar detectors etc are allowed.
drew_z t1_iwz412n wrote
enforcing laws isn’t facism lmao relax
PICHICONCACA t1_iwz7w9l wrote
Laws that punish the poor should not be enforced.
OliverYossef t1_iwz8ca0 wrote
That’s an insane take
rakesh111989 t1_iwz96ig wrote
Is there exemption for path fare for kids ? What is the age limit?
moobycow t1_iwzb3h4 wrote
It is eye opening when you see what fare evasion vs fare enforcement costs the MTA.
I would much rather the enforcement money be used for stuff that more directly impacts quality of life when riding (disruptive passengers, cleaning stations, etc.)
caroline_elly t1_iwzd3w3 wrote
This is pretty condescending. My family was poor but we had enough dignity to pay $2.60 when we take the path.
caroline_elly t1_iwzd8s5 wrote
>If you saw someone evading their fare, no you didn't.
Do you even take the path lol. At WTC, I literally see handfuls of people walking through the handicapped turnstile everyday.
Simple-Television-27 t1_iwzit7c wrote
We live in a society, scholar. Asking someone to pay the subsidized fare for mass transit to go to Manhattan isn’t facist by even the dumbest college freshman’s standards.
Simple-Television-27 t1_iwzk2t3 wrote
Yeah, I would prefer a court summons. You can afford Air Max 95s, you can afford the subsidized fare. Nothing luxury about me. Just believe we live in a society and if you lived anywhere else in country, you’d need a car to get from point A to B. Don’t be a parasite and pay your fair share.
Simple-Television-27 t1_iwzk844 wrote
Don’t be a parasite your whole life. Aspire for more.
Simple-Television-27 t1_iwzkou8 wrote
Not here they don’t. Pay the $2.75 or get a monthly unlimited. You should have a sense of shame and embarrassment when you jump the turnstile and if you don’t, your parents could’ve done a better job.
tehbored t1_iwzmorj wrote
Yes they should lol
tehbored t1_iwzmrqf wrote
Yes, people who jump fares should get a ticket.
tehbored t1_iwzmyua wrote
The taxpayers of NY and NJ are the victims in the first example, and the owners and customers of the CVS corporations in the second.
tehbored t1_iwzn32h wrote
And those insurance rates go up if there are more thefts.
MelGz03 t1_iwznx6h wrote
Sounds like your not fit enough to hop. It’s ok to suck your whole life, loser.
JeromePowellAdmirer t1_iwzovlk wrote
In that case, let's just have no one pay their fate. We'll see how you like the world with only half the trains running.
JeromePowellAdmirer t1_iwzp1dj wrote
Make it free and the rest of the money has to come from somewhere. Yet this sub screeches whenever taxes go up.
JeromePowellAdmirer t1_iwzp417 wrote
As if you'd support the tax increases necessary to fund PATH in a fare free world
JeromePowellAdmirer t1_iwzp8wi wrote
Go look who fare jumps in NYC, it ain't the poor, it's middle class and business people walking through the accessible entrance.
JeromePowellAdmirer t1_iwzpcnr wrote
Almost as if if everyone payed they'd be cleaner with better service
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JeromePowellAdmirer t1_iwzpg1b wrote
The solution to that is subsidies for the poor not letting a bunch of people get free rides which inevitably leads to tax increases and service cuts to fill the gap.
JeromePowellAdmirer t1_iwzpr21 wrote
Not everyone who fare jumps is broke. In fact barely anyone who fare jumps is broke. Turns out people don't lose their morals just because they're poor, regardless of what sheltered Redditors want to think.
RosaKlebb t1_iwzt1dm wrote
I just find it comical for some people from a recent flashpan moment they were allegedly in arms over policing, "stay out of people's business", "don't talk to cops, know your rights", "boost and support people", mutual aid, all sorts of supportive language etc to I actually like pineapple on my slice of boot.
I'm with you, there's infinitely bigger fish to fry and any complaint of theoretical dollars lost on people fare hopping will always be small peanuts to endless amounts of money pissed with things like local beat cops crying how they need to play army man, military hardware and all, and the salaries for people playing with their phone and taking a nap in their squad car around Van Vorst Park.
eddyreason t1_iwzw4f4 wrote
sutisuc t1_iwzw8an wrote
NY post
Mindless-Budget9019 t1_iwzydks wrote
Yes, please do keep hopping. We need more people to hop so they can get fined and help fund the city.
Mindless-Budget9019 t1_iwzzcvv wrote
What flash pan moment? It’s not just about dollars lost, it’s about safety, law and order. If people think they can get away with small things then they will do the big things.
fruit__gummy t1_ix01u2b wrote
Doesn’t really matter
Hazel2468 t1_ix06mud wrote
True- but the solution to those issues isn’t harassing and fining and arresting people who can’t even afford to pay the fare, let alone legal fees.
drew_z t1_ix074pe wrote
yes they should
mbstor23 t1_ix0brsg wrote
Honestly… anyone making less than $80,000 should get mailed an unlimited smart link card.
brandy716 t1_ix0c5qk wrote
What people don’t understand about fare hopping is as long as the Trasit system is not profitable they will find a way to get it from your taxes, tolls, not providing additional services and likely more services will be cut.
There are very few people that are too poor to pay for services as there are programs to help with that.
Like in NYC they have a fare fare card and each ride is about $1.35 for low income people.
The majority of the fare beaters are the ones committing the crimes, tossing the trash all over and causing delays but keep on defending them. This is why things will never get better because there will always be an excuse for bad behavior.
munsuro t1_ix0ellp wrote
I'm with you 100% if you're advocating for free public transport. 🤝🏻
lynch_95_ t1_ix0pa6z wrote
Poor people? If I could count the amount of time I see people with beats head phones, designer clothes and $7 Starbucks drinks jumping. If that’s being poor, I wish I was also.
JeromePowellAdmirer t1_ix0xx84 wrote
I'd wager quite a bit that the majority of fare skippers aren't broke. Obviously I think differently about those who are, but the majority aren't.
AshIsAWolf t1_ix16gq8 wrote
I would if I knew the money was doing some good instead of disappearing into a black hole
Mindless-Budget9019 t1_ix1d2hn wrote
Being broke isn’t a badge of honor…
Lowkeylowthreadcount t1_ix1ki88 wrote
And that’s why you hop
JeromePowellAdmirer t1_ix1lll0 wrote
Some of it by definition has to be doing good. Otherwise there'd be no trains and no stations.
JeromePowellAdmirer t1_ix1lpq5 wrote
I bet you'll be running right off the wagon like the rest of this subreddit when it comes time to increase taxes or cut service to cover the difference.
GioDesa t1_ix1r48r wrote
munsuro t1_ix1swb6 wrote
If PATH offered free service for anyone making less than $35k a year, I'd gladly pay more tax and I almost exclusively take the ferry.
TexasTheBlackCat t1_ix1tfa5 wrote
Thanks Sherlock. Glad your parents funded your college. Have a nice day.
AshIsAWolf t1_ix1yjj3 wrote
Port Authority doesn't recieve state or local subsidies.
And its pretty clear I was talking about tax increases, not all taxes
Morkitu t1_ix2dwbx wrote
Interesting "hot takes" from folks on here. For me, it's more about a person's character. The kind of person that would intentionally evade a fare, is likely also the kind of person that could or would cause problems on the trains. A person that would likely smoke, play loud music, steal from, harass, or assault someone, or some other form of mischief.
When I see people intentionally hop the turnstile, I make sure to avoid the car they are riding on, because more than likely it will be a (censored) show for the rest of the ride.
sutisuc t1_ix4np4u wrote
Did you read all of that?
jcskunk t1_ix5y511 wrote
With Port Authority Police officers standing to the side chatting away doing nothing all day.
M00tWisd0m t1_ixhbxtw wrote
I was in Montreal recently and I went to use their public subway, I bought the card that I thought best suited my needs for 20 bucks. After which a local told me that it's free on the weekends. Could've just walked right on. I made a joke that I'm an American and am so used to being abused financial by my government that I just walk around holding out a 20 dollar bill and apologizing. It's crazy that we pay such high taxes and then RE- pay for "public" transportation, tolls etc. Not to mention all the other shit we double and triple pay for.
PICHICONCACA t1_ixhhmtb wrote
I know. But clearly people don’t understand. They still like to give tax breaks to corps and billionaires.
M00tWisd0m t1_ixhi2mn wrote
Don't worry. Any day now it's gonna trickle down. The actor promised us back in '84. Man of the people.
PICHICONCACA t1_ixi5hb9 wrote
They complain about their rents and other problems and don’t realize that it all comes down to businesses buying politicians who make laws that protect billionaires and corporations. The problem isn’t with poor people.
Euphoric-Entrance317 t1_iwwfl2j wrote
it be like that