Employers are not explicitly liable for the psychological harm of their employees, nor do they want to be. Employers choose to avoid a perceived threat of liability over human well-being.

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Must you spam this everywhere?

What kind of miserable person gets angry at people who are doing the heavy lifting for labor rights?

Are you that sad?

Do you want Uncle Bezos or Townie Mike or Healthcare Karen to fuck you over that badly?

What is it, Internet King?

Sticks and stones may break your bones but words can never hurt you.

Tell that to a therapist.

Im going to be honest I don't support your law. I think if people are mean to you at work that sucks but it's not your workplaces job to figure that out. If they are physically harming you then call the police but if they are just saying mean stuff ignore them or quit.

You've got my vote

So with that logic, you don’t support anti-discrimination law?

I do support anti-discrimination laws, (in most cases) because God created us all equal, but I don't support anti-bullying.

That’s illogical

how so?

They both involve abusive mistreatment of employees.

If you are denied a job or treated substantively differently because of your skin color, that is an indefensible and bigoted act. If someone is mean to you that is a part of life.

What if the abuse has a discriminatory impact, but you can’t prove discriminatory intent that the courts now call for?

Then what you have is a hunch not a case

No, that’s actually how anti-discrimination law started.

Yeah but in this country we believe you are innocent until proven without a reasonable doubt guilty, a standard I think ought to be extended to employers.

That is included in the proposed legislation.

I looked up the proposed legislation, it is an extension of the nanny state in an effort to "disrupt social hierarchies at work" and is a pseudo socialist attempt to hamper the opperations of business in this commonwealth. I will be writing to my State senator to vote against this bill and amendment.

Sounds like a fear-based response. Take care.

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Most people aren’t in a union. If you’d like to read about what’s happening, join the subreddit and read up about it.

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you are clearly not as progressive as you think you are lmao. “survival of the fittest”? ever consider that in almost every case of workplace bullying or harassment the employee is shit out of luck as union membership is below 13% in the US?

It ain’t always as simple as just standing up for yourself my guy. It isn’t always survival of the fittest either. I’ve been in a situation as a muscular 6ft tall dude of having an older guy try to push me around. Mainly he acted like a dick because he was intimidated by me and I pushed him and challenged him when he was using faulty engineering logic. I set him straight several times, he didn’t change his behavior. Then I escalated to my boss, he didn’t do shit. After that I successfully ignored him for over a year.

All it took was one incident where I stood up for myself and tried to set him straight for things to escalate. Instead of being reasonable the dude threatened to fight me, a fight which he very clearly would have lost. I backed away from it and reported it. The company’s HR didn’t do anything despite him having a known bad attitude. If management won’t do shit, and a douchbag never thinks their in the wrong, what recourse do you have?

For some bullies the only way to set them straight is to put them in their place, sometimes physically. If The workplace isn’t middle school though and unfortunately it’s not appropriate to teach douchebags a lesson by force. As much as I would have wanted to that, that would have been assault and would have been completely inappropriate.

So kindly go fuck off with your mightier than thou tough guy attitude, it isn’t always that simple. Clearly you haven’t had the mis fortunate of working with a real asshole.

It’s fun to see how angry the slaves get

Get back to your peasant life, idiot

>I’m all set, thank you!

Proceeds to go to that sub and post insults.

You're literally a bully, lmao. No wonder you don't like it. Absolutely no reason for you to even interact with that sub except that you wanted to bully some people.

so say you, but the guy who committed suicide can never have a comback against that

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u/Probably_Tripping

Where'd you go? Why did you tuck your tail and run away?

Did you really just make a second account to defend yourself?

You know new accounts are tagged on some clients.

Employers should not be held liable for pussies feelings. If you don't like your job leave.

Account hyper focused on only one topic. Active in multiple state subs. Requests petition be signed by handing out personal info. Posts have all the grassrootsy style join us we’re doing X thing. New accounts popping up and going after dissenters…

Lets keep things above board here so someone who genuinely wants to do the right thing doesn’t cause themselves heartache by following your links; or worse be later asked donate to some scam 501 charity that exists only as some sociopath’s slush fund.

Who’s paying you OP?

This law is a great way to make employers hire less women, less gay people and trans people given that mental health related issues are predominantly found in this 3 subsectors of the population. Why would a right minded person hire someone who is more probable to cause me legal issues in the future, even if I'm at fault or not.

That’s already happening.

And this will give those employers yet another reason. A valid one even.

So what’s your solution instead?

I've got nothing, but is definitely not this law. It's better to do nothing that to make something that will worsen things.

So you’re saying sexual harassment law has that effect then? Do you have data on that?

Lol you consider this post on Reddit the “heavy lifting” for labor rights?

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What? Since when are we talking about sexual harassment? This things are completely different

I love it how you bring in other issues because you can't counter my logical answer.

You’re saying a law that protects women will make employers hire fewer women.

I’m just following your logic.

No. I'm saying that a law that protects people with mental health issues, will cause employers to hire less people that are prone to mental health issues. That's basic logic.

No you're not

Then my statement would also be true.

Why the defensiveness?

No. Sexual harassment is a result of a trasable act. Ex. I touch your butt. Mental health is a result of multiplicity of acts, factors, and events. If I say you're ugly, you may or may not get suicidal, that depends on how other aspects of your life influence my statement. Aspects that I don't know of because it's part of your private life.

None.

Sexual harassment is also words.

Words, touches whatever, it's a trasable act.

You really missed the point.

Also sexual harassment is not worsen by out of work factors. While mental health is

This bill goes after behaviors, so it shouldn’t matter. But we can agree to disagree.

The matter persist. It's not traceable, due to the multiplicity of factors and events that affects mental health issues. With our current knowledge of social behavior you can't say with exactitude how much does work influence the mental health problem and how much is it influence by factors outside of work. If the workplace is just the last drop, will you appoint all the liability to the workplace or only 1% of the guilt? Let's say I hire a new guy. He had some underlying mental health issues that no one knows about. Then I say something that cause him to go suicidal. A prima facie is my fault, but in reality I was just the very small tiping point. How can you evaluate if I share just 1% or 100% of the fault.

That’s not how the bill is designed though. It focuses on employer behavior and holds them accountable for it, regardless of health harm and just like sexual harassment law.

But the behavior is subjective. I may say or do something not cover on the bill at prima facie, that causes mental health issues on some people.

That’s why we’ve covered the most common abuse tactics in the bill.

And is not like sexual harrasment at all. So stop comparing it to it.

Even if you cover them, the common ones in the bill are still covered under harrasment laws.

It is, but I’m not going to continue this conversation is you’re not actually interested in keeping an open mind. Take care.

That’s not true.

Maybe if a lot of people actually put some effort, care, and pride in their job then people won’t have to get on them about sucking. Granted some people are genuinely targeted for silly reasons. But I’ve seen more than a few times, that negative, unmotivated, never heard of responsibility or accountability type of person, cry how they’re being bullied when spoken to about their performance

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Most people are targeted for being high performers, not for being low performers.

That’s probably the falsest statement I’ve heard on this sub today.

What research are you looking at?