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aladdyn2 t1_j2b7ikb wrote

Reply to comment by blackrabbitsrun in Was Bruce Willis in Die Hard the ushering in of the modern everyman action star? by SquatOnAPitbull

Actually that's one aspect of No Country for Old Men that makes it great to me. Both hero and villains get injured and most battles have real consequences for them.

Unpopular opinion maybe but I think almost all the superhero movies are boring because of the lack of this. Let them get injured and killed off game of thrones style. Then just reboot with different actors once you kill enough off. Or even the same actors but a different universe or something.

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TylerBourbon t1_j2b8a8h wrote

>Unpopular opinion maybe but I think almost all the superhero movies are boring because of the lack of this.

Completely agree with this. This is why the Daredevil season 1 hallway fight was so damn good. It was brutal, but you could see him getting hurt and getting tired. It made it believable. If they can't match that mentality when filming fights for the new DD series, it will be very disappointing.

I'm not so much on the "kill them off GoT" style but I would definitely love to see more shows have that "anything can actually happen" vibe that made GoT so engrossing. Characters lived and died based on their decisions, whether it was simply misplaced trust, or tactical errors.

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blackrabbitsrun t1_j2bc5xv wrote

Right? I think DC is the biggest culprit of this so far with Marvel quickly moving in. You watch Captain America: Winter Soldier, Tobey McGuire's fight with the Green Goblin, and Tom Holland's first fight with the Green Goblin, they get fucked up. I would say Cap gets it the worst out of the 3, considering he gets shot too, but they all get absolutely thrashed to the point they're barely holding it together. Anymore though, I can't really think of a Marvel hero who got it even half as bad. Chadwick Bosman from Black Panther, but...nope nothing else comes to mind.

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TylerBourbon t1_j2bepzw wrote

100% MCU was doing pretty decently with some of it's films from Iron Man 1 to Endgame. Characters got put through the ringer. And while I like the first 2 Nolan movies, the only one Batman even got hurt in was 3, but he it was more plot points to hurt him than just a by product of a brutal fight. At least with Pattinson's ending fight Batman nearly went down if it wasn't for what I suspect was venom but could have just been major steroids.

And Marvel is definitely moving away from realism it seems. Falcon and the Winter Soldier, did anyone even look tired after a fight, or like they broke a sweat? And Love and Thunder..... it was basically a Saturday Morning Cartoon when it came to Thor's fighting prowess, we were only missing him raising the hammer to the sky and yelling out that he had the power.

It's getting the point where it feels like the characters being tired or hurt is like a gun running out of ammo in an 80s action movie, only when the plot needs it to happen.

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blackrabbitsrun t1_j2bfre4 wrote

Yep. I genuinely can't bring myself to watch Love and Thunder past the one time. Marvel doesn't need to go to extremes but damn I would like the people to actually be people. That's what Marvel marketed their heroes as in the first place. Hopefully they swing things back the other way but I'm not holding my breath for it.

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jl_theprofessor t1_j2bm2a0 wrote

Man. Winter Soldier is still my favorite MCU movie.

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blackrabbitsrun t1_j2bov2y wrote

It is awesome. I love it. Perfect blend of funny and serious with some good dark in there too. I was hoping that would be Marvel going forward but sadly....

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IndyWineLady t1_j2bxfjc wrote

Sincerely, I screamed when Eddard Stark lost his head so early in.

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notorious98 t1_j2c3rk7 wrote

Daredevil's real super power is that he can take an unbelievable ass kicking and keeping fighting.

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jinxed_07 t1_j2dj52y wrote

I don't even think you need to kill off superheros, you just need to give them space to lose or get pyrrhic victories. All of Captain America's movies are great at this: Cap always gets a win (at least compared to the alternative playing out) but at a huge cost to himself or a large impact to the greater storyline.

If you know that the good guys are always gonna win with no serious consequences, then it makes you wonder why you should bother watching the same tropes play out over and over. I feel like a lot of the latest Marvel series/movies are suffering from this: not necessarily because the whole no consequences thing is new (because it's a valid criticism for some of the older marvel flicks) but because we're tired of it and we need a reason to watch something new.

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