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[deleted] t1_ixgt3nz wrote

Reply to comment by kikrs999 in Bipartisan coalition advancing legislation to legalize recreational cannabis in NH - hopes of ending the Granite State’s status as an island of recreational cannabis prohibition by AMC4x4

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scarletuba t1_ixh1gxa wrote

Why wouldn't we want to tax it? Seriously, it's recreational, it's entertainment. That means it's a luxury item and if anything should be taxed, it's that.

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scarletuba t1_ixhgqp3 wrote

I'm worried I may have caused permanent damage to my sight from the eyeroll I just did at this comment.

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[deleted] t1_ixm2caz wrote

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scarletuba t1_ixm4mah wrote

You certainly "take advantage" of the system in the exact same way I do and if you don't think that is true, you are absolute idiot.

A society requires funds to cover basic expenses and infrastructure that no one person can handle.

Read Snow crash, read The Disposessed. Then reevaluate your own opinions because I don't think you can properly imagine what the world you want could actually look like.

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scarletuba t1_ixqxwbj wrote

Yeah... I won't because I have better things to do. I hear the bears in Grafton are doing great.

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scarletuba t1_ixship4 wrote

Like there is any greater fairy tale than libertarianism.

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scarletuba t1_ixyj488 wrote

I have never seen a debate that resulted in changing a speaker's mind, or even really an audience, even the dang debate podcast with Oxford-style debates usually only change maybe 5% of minds - and if you go back and unterview the audience again months later, they've pretty much all reverted back to their former way of thinking.

The goal of a debate from a libertarian perspective is the gish gallop so much the other speaker just spends all their time refuting without having a single unified comment. All the libertarian had to do is say, "and another thing, freedom!" And the non-libertarian has to wait for the idiotic applause to die down before re-explaining their main points again to people who do not care. Then the libertarians clip all the parts that make them look good, ignore the parts that make them look bad, and use it as advertisement within their own group to go "see, look how stupid the other side is."

The actual libertarian agenda is, "I want what's mine and to do whatever I want and also want everything else to stay pretty much the same, except then I can ignore the poor and disadvantaged more blatantly since they don't deserve to live if they can't take care of themselves."

That's why libertarians are mostly people who've a) never had a real, genuine struggle that their money or their parents' money couldn't save them from or b) have convenient amnesia about all the ways a society works to protect them.

No, that is a waste of my time.

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[deleted] t1_ixyjuii wrote

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scarletuba t1_ixyovnn wrote

Sure.

Now you can go to your libertarian friends and say, "I keep offering to have these people debate us and none of them will because they're too chicken/too insecure of their beliefs/etc"

And they'll go, "yeah"

And I'll move on with my life and actually do things that, you know, help people.

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scarletuba t1_ixyuspn wrote

No dude. I've been having a conversation with you and you just keep ignoring what I am saying and pushing a stupid debate so you can prove I don't want to talk.

Luckily, the state is not full of libertarians. I didn't see any at the beautiful, publicly-funded library, or when I walked down the nicely paved sidewalk in my neighborhood that I didn't get charged for using.

I'm not going to reply anymore because I think your real aim is to keep wasting my time.

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jessyblorp t1_ixm7lxq wrote

Found the ‘Libertarian’

If the weed is being sold in a store that the state owns — isn’t that worse than a tax for you ideologically?

Smells a lot like communism with New Hampshire characteristics to me. (IE State Capitalism.)

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warren_stupidity t1_ixhi58c wrote

The proposed legislation explicitly does not put it under the liquor control board, and instead enables private retail and production facilities:

"If adopted, the law would create a private marketplace for cannabis sales and focus on low taxation. Marijuana would be taxed at the current meals-and-rooms tax rate of 8.5 percent, with proceeds going toward unmet pension obligations across the state and drug education and prevention, according to Egan."

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heeyyyyooo t1_ixh0oz6 wrote

Isn’t taxing it the whole reason for legalizing it?

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mmirate t1_ixhaavx wrote

No, getting rid of the War on Drugs police-state is the whole reason for legalizing it. As long as there is an illegal black market for police to go after (whether because the plant is entirely illegal or because smuggling it is cheaper than paying the taxes and regulations), the mission is not accomplished. Ask California and New York. (And contrast Colorado, who headed this issue off mostly correctly.)

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heeyyyyooo t1_ixlqzsk wrote

All the legalized states are making billions in tax revenue combined and you think they are doing it because they care about the war on drugs? The same politicians that allowed pharmaceutical companies to get millions of Americans hooked on opioids to make record profits don’t have your best interests in mind.

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Extra-Tension378 t1_ixhkvmk wrote

It is going to be taxed, and I think it should be. I lived in CO, and it is taxed at 25%, but still significantly cheaper than black market. Taxes went to funding after school educational programs for kids in the state.

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