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[deleted] OP t1_j6kpze4 wrote

Reply to comment by Longjumping_Ask_4911 in Salem Man Pleads Not Guilty Following Weekend Shooting by [deleted]

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Longjumping_Ask_4911 t1_j6kqjw2 wrote

Clearly not, this is obviously stand your ground.

"Residents have a right to defend themselves from attack anywhere. A citizen should not be required to retreat from a place they have a legal right to be. "

https://www.citizenscount.org/issues/stand-your-ground-castle-doctrine

Like I said, don't throw the punch, this never happens.

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Smartalum t1_j6krt69 wrote

Read idiot.

Where is the evidence that the person was in fear of death?

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Longjumping_Ask_4911 t1_j6kt6xx wrote

what would you consider evidence?

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Smartalum t1_j6kv0k1 wrote

It is an affirmative defense, which means the defendant has the burden of proof.

I see none here that suggests the defendant was in fear for his life.

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Longjumping_Ask_4911 t1_j6kvkyi wrote

I don't know, being surrounded by 3-4 people and getting suckered punched in the face would seem to present an issue yo your claim. You also didn't answer the question. Was he supposed to cry in fear?

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RondaArousedMe t1_j6ksizg wrote

I understand the law and the reasoning for it but your calling the guy who allegedly threw two sucker punches an animal and not the guy who based on his own words, left the bar looking for retaliation of some kind and immediately drew his firearm firing 8 rounds an animal?

They both seem like giant cowards to me.

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Longjumping_Ask_4911 t1_j6kt5rb wrote

why would I blame someone responding to head trauma? let alone a second head trauma.

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RondaArousedMe t1_j6kuwlc wrote

A.) You don't know whether either punch was provoked or not

B.) While a punch to the face can technically be lethal, it seems that it is a far stretch from "deadly force" under the NH law. (If you get into a fist fight it's considered assault not attempted murder in the vast majority of cases)

C.) I would assume that if you follow someone out of an establishment to confront them with implied confrontation/violence that is not defending yourself. That person is looking for a confrontation and they responded with deadly force

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Longjumping_Ask_4911 t1_j6kvlzz wrote

> You don't know whether either punch was provoked or not

Did you watch the video? Hard to say a sucker punch is provoked.

> I would assume that if you follow someone out of an establishment to confront them with implied confrontation/violence that is not defending yourself. That person is looking for a confrontation and they responded with deadly force

The dude got escorted out of the bar by security. How are you going to argue he followed someone out?

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RondaArousedMe t1_j6kzf2y wrote

It was more of a sucker punch than I originally thought, didn't realize which way his face was turned when he got hit.

Sure followed is the wrong word, they both got escorted out of the bar, and the shooter is on camera threatening violence (seemingly in response to a prior altercation) and then they end up face to face in the parking lot across the street? It seems like there was intent for an altercation regardless.

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