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TroyMcClure10 t1_j8nm0p6 wrote
I nearly threw up when I open and saw an officer making over 500k. That’s just insane.
Rude-Bison-2050 t1_j8nmeru wrote
so much money goes down the drain on OT because cities don't staff appropriately
lostatwork314 t1_j8npsnd wrote
Paying OT is cheaper than benefits and pension payments.
And utility companies pay most of the OT. Pseg etc
munchingzia t1_j8npykb wrote
i knew police made bank in NJ but didnt know exactly how much. Ye thats crazy.
Rude-Bison-2050 t1_j8nredd wrote
sigh this is not wrong but just another point as to why the pension and benefits for all public employees are grossly broken
shant_jan t1_j8ns240 wrote
and yet their stans will still describe them all as "working class"
whodisacct t1_j8ntcho wrote
Every cop in NJ I know says they’ll move elsewhere out of state because the taxes are so damn high.
ghost_robot2000 t1_j8ntez9 wrote
So many towns on this list don't even need their own police department. They're paying officers huge salaries, coming from the taxes of actual working people, to do basically nothing. They need to consolidate these towns, lower the number of officers, and start lowering some property taxes.
scooterbike1968 t1_j8nv83v wrote
And run lucrative side businesses.
Ecstatic-Passage-113 t1_j8nw1ar wrote
Who said C+ students can't make good salaries?
inf4mation t1_j8nwq7e wrote
and they'll get 70-80% of those salaries as pensions for the rest of their lives.
SyndicalistCPA t1_j8nx9o7 wrote
Yeah, nobody who beats up and arrests striking laborers is "working class". Fascist shitheads is more accurate.
majik_boy t1_j8nxdnv wrote
They work real hard to suck taxpayer money that could be going to useful things like infrastructure, education, climate initiatives, security nets
SyndicalistCPA t1_j8nxgui wrote
No, its not broken. Everyone should be having the same benefits but labor movement is especially weak in the US.
metsurf t1_j8nxyhc wrote
32 cops in our town 20 making more than state average total, 15 over 150K per year.
Sinsid t1_j8nymaq wrote
Holy shit! Maybe I should have dropped out of middle school too.
metsurf t1_j8nz0qh wrote
If you mean broken as overly generous you are correct my brother-in-law just turned 58 and has been retired for 10 years. About a third of his time on the force he was a middle school resource officer. Most of his days were totally uneventful a bomb scare once, and kids having fistfights. Only time he actually used his service weapon was to euthanize animals hit by cars. He gets $85K+ pension plus premium health benefits to do nothing. That is unsustainable across the entire sum of all the cops we have.
metsurf t1_j8nz6nm wrote
retire in their 40s and start second careers
Engibineer t1_j8o009g wrote
And how sure are we that these cops are significantly different than the ones in Uvalde?
amplifiedgamerz t1_j8o03x9 wrote
Maybe time for a career switch? This is insane
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jawnlerdoe t1_j8o1xe2 wrote
These cops make significantly more than anyone in b my team, and everyone has a PhD lol
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HeyItsPanda69 t1_j8o49o7 wrote
Biggest welfare queens around
waterandweights t1_j8o4ggm wrote
Do you want to get mad?
He was indicted in 2014 for padding overtime.
The charges were dismissed and he’s a police director now.
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SpacelessWorm t1_j8o508m wrote
My sister is part of my town EMS's stuff so I can't wait to see her reaction to this knowing first hand how useless my towns cops are
Inspector-Tophat t1_j8o6c17 wrote
Does anyone know what the extra pay is? For instance the first officer on the list is a police Director. His salary is roughly $135k, which seems like average pay for a professional in an expensive area with 26 years experience. However, whats strange is not his base salary but the $403k "extra" pay. Anyone know what that actually means?
Inspector-Tophat t1_j8o6o8h wrote
He's actually a Police Director with over 26 years experience. His base pay is $135k. Which, for someone holding a director title and decades long experience is normal. However, what isn't normal is the $400k "extra" pay. Do you know what that is? I mean I'd love to jump the gun and say he's getting that in cash but is that perhaps a sum of benefits like different types of insurance? Is that pension for retirement? I mean, I don't know.
ordinaryflask t1_j8o6q92 wrote
Sheesh
Time to google how to become a cop.
jfloes t1_j8o70s9 wrote
Well f me then, should’ve gone to a police academy instead of business school
RedChairBlueChair123 t1_j8o783o wrote
It’s probably overtime, because (I think) your last few years padding your salary means more money in retirement
laurenzee t1_j8o7rkf wrote
Not just that, but 90% of it is "additional pay" and I'd really like to know what that consists of
DSJ13 t1_j8o8b3l wrote
The link seems to indicate it is not overtime.
-686 t1_j8o8wkq wrote
Skill set really does not match up with how much they’re getting paid.
alwaysintheway t1_j8o92aj wrote
It means he should be in jail.
TodayTimeDeux t1_j8o9ecd wrote
jfc I am afraid to look
katsock t1_j8o9ifs wrote
Who’s the highest. Asking to hate myself more !
Rjasd t1_j8oa2p2 wrote
I don't know about that high amount specifically but police can get paid time and half for side jobs like road work, uniformed security, special traffic jobs, etc.
Eliagbs_ t1_j8oarf8 wrote
I saw a video of a young cop who’s bank account said half a mil in it. He had maybe been on the force a 2-3 years. That says a lot
erstwhile_reptilian t1_j8obdj3 wrote
Only $800 out of $400k is classified as overtime
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dumbdumbmen t1_j8ocjw1 wrote
This. So many NJ towns need to consolidate their police forces, as well as their school districts. I moved out of NJ a long time ago and the property taxe rates there are just insane compared to where I've lived so far (low crime, good schools, in HCOL areas).
yaychristy t1_j8of1lb wrote
If you want lower property taxes you need to consolidate the school districts. roughly ~65% of property tax is for the schools.
tokendasher t1_j8ofnow wrote
This is insane.
peter-doubt t1_j8ofw0f wrote
Remember this next time the Police Officer's Blah Blah Retirement Fund calls for contributions
mangeniius t1_j8og89t wrote
OT and pension. He’s not getting cash or hush money. That’d be silly.
peter-doubt t1_j8ogb0i wrote
Not so much the schools as the administrators... Just look at the service done in Central Regional....
Such_Force_2252 t1_j8ogb0o wrote
The reality is if you question these salaries, you're going after the Blue Line and don't support law enforcement. But realistically these are not justifiable salaries given the work load they face. And a lot of these higher paying towns are suburbs with nothing really going on. I know there is an inherent danger with the position, but they know that signing up and it doesn't mean they should be paid soooo much
miked5122 t1_j8oh974 wrote
That's a rude thing to assume
bubonis t1_j8ohhnq wrote
And now compare that to NJ teacher salaries to see where the priorities really are...
https://content-static.northjersey.com/Data/caspio/bundle/NJTeachersPay.html
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Batchagaloop t1_j8ohuxk wrote
This is from 2019?
Mhanderson13 t1_j8oippf wrote
it's not an assumption
Ecstatic-Passage-113 t1_j8oiqn7 wrote
It's rude of you to assume that I'm being serious....
MastersOfNoneShow t1_j8oj5tu wrote
Nah he's right. I went to school with some of these idiots
yayscienceteachers t1_j8ojgma wrote
The names I recognize were rarely so high as C+ students
Dozzi92 t1_j8ojj18 wrote
And those are jobs paid for by non-tax dollars. Work a road crew? Money is coming from whoever opened the road. Working a street fair? Whoever put on the fair pays. How one accrues three times their salary doing that, I'm not sure, but perhaps for someone in a director's position they get higher rates of pay to take part in these things.
And non-tax dollars presumably includes grant funding as well.
ghost_robot2000 t1_j8okjdd wrote
I'd like to see that happen too.
murphydcat t1_j8oks28 wrote
The next time you complain about your property tax bill, think about this list.
Sinsid t1_j8olxen wrote
This is why I live in a town with no police department (we contract NJ state police). We also don’t have a high school, we contract that too. And the town doesn’t have a sewer or water department. So developers have a massive uphill battle to build anything more than single family homes.
Sinsid t1_j8om54k wrote
It’s absolutely mob protection money.
Dryja123 t1_j8omlul wrote
It’s insanity. My brother makes over $100 an hour directing traffic because it’s overtime.
Dank_valu t1_j8on6vp wrote
Can we see other states?
Mr_Yonjou_MapTouyeOu t1_j8oo6ig wrote
Pays to be a tyrant I see
NJBullforyou t1_j8oocmc wrote
All 100k+ a year salary and they wanna say they arent getting paid enough? 100k and you wanna have an ego and act like a power hungry racist? Thats crazy.
linkedit t1_j8oqdn5 wrote
State trooper salaries might even be higher
ManchuDemon t1_j8oqi90 wrote
It's really pretty simple. It's all on the nj civil service website. They don't make it hard. It's literally designed so any one, any one, can become a cop.
ghost_robot2000 t1_j8ornc8 wrote
Are you in Sussex County? I know they have some smaller towns like that.
Rude-Bison-2050 t1_j8orwpd wrote
Outrageous labor costs and pensions are why shit is so unaffordable but sure random basement communist
Mini-salt t1_j8osyn0 wrote
This. I remember seeing my elementary school go through a dramatic overhaul (new jungle gym, expanding the building twice, etc) in the span of 2-3 years because they dropped an administrator.
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pleuvonics t1_j8oucfs wrote
I didn’t need to be so pissed off today
peter-doubt t1_j8ouikf wrote
(that [building expansion] isn't possible from one salary, even including benefits)
randygiles t1_j8ov64a wrote
AVERAGE 123k. Disgusting, these are supposed to be public servants.
soiboughtafarm t1_j8ovlsz wrote
I’m a teacher, I don’t even think I would have made a good cop. If I would have know what I could make I could have sucked it up, hell I would be looking at retirement in 10 years. I’m sure one or two of these people aren’t the best at coping either.
spoon_master t1_j8owpwh wrote
Are pensions included under additional/extra pay or something? There's a ton of officers who have 0 salary but large additional/extra pay
therealdieseld t1_j8p0cvu wrote
Be the difference you want to see.
thebongofamandabynes t1_j8p0uar wrote
ACAB
VMICoastie t1_j8p12vf wrote
Strong police union coupled with police worship.
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petere1144 t1_j8p1nbu wrote
The vast majority of that is private contracts, not taxpayer dollars. Coming from construction companies or anyone else needing traffic control, security, etc
wasitme317 t1_j8p4qvw wrote
Police Directors and Chief of Police set their own contracts. The extra pay could be the following 1.health insurance which the town 2. pays, vacation and sick time. 3. Travel expenses for conventions 4. Training seminars 5. Pension matches And the list could go on
SirBumbles t1_j8p4yzb wrote
Welp... time to commit tax fraud.
cyclingman2020 t1_j8p5bhr wrote
Makes sense now.
jjb89 t1_j8p7ae8 wrote
rightttttttt cause my school district average salary is 61k and the highest is 175k. there are 102 teachers and even if we just take the 61k times 102 teachers that 6.7 million. my township also has like 20 cops and they even with "extra pay" made 1.7 million....
if teachers were paid like cops then it would be like 12 million in my township for teachers.
just because an average is lower than what you think and big mean cops are over paid. it's really just numbers.
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Rude-Bison-2050 t1_j8pcuoo wrote
it's okay, the morons posting these comments got As but work at walmart. such is life
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twothumbswayup t1_j8peues wrote
Is there a teachers pay list that we can compare too?
Op_Anadyr t1_j8pf1jj wrote
Love paying multiple officers 6 figures to fuck around on their phone all day and harass kids in the park. Meanwhile teachers still start at like $33k and never get close to what these pigs are stealing.
Or my favorite: when PSEG men are hard at work on the road and there's a cop sitting in his air conditioned car on his phone "earning" more than the actual workers
Op_Anadyr t1_j8pf7iz wrote
Police will decline to hire people that score too high on their intelligence tests, so actually it's more than fair
satriales856 t1_j8pg2nn wrote
Yeah but if you consolidate districts, you eliminate a lot of administrators. That’s most of the point.
satriales856 t1_j8pg8n6 wrote
There was a town in south Jersey near me like this. They put in a sewer system, took years. And then shitty cookie cutter developments sprung up everywhere.
peter-doubt t1_j8pghc2 wrote
(did you miss the suicide there, and the resignation since? Some administrators are fully inept)
playdohplaydate t1_j8phfsu wrote
That’s what shared services are designed to consolidate but various unions fight it pretty strongly for obvious reasons. On one side it saves taxpayer money and on the other side it puts people out of work or relocates them to other duties
WPackN2 t1_j8phks2 wrote
Same story in every state. Someone should look up all the ridiculous pays state employees of CA get.
DogeMoonNOK8921 t1_j8pi220 wrote
Rich gets richer, poor suffers !
Ultimately it's the working people like us paying for their salary and extra income , smfh
playdohplaydate t1_j8pi77x wrote
Too bad it doesn’t include sheriffs
Redisigh t1_j8pinzm wrote
And yet it feels like half of the school districts in the state still can’t afford printing paper lmao
vakr001 OP t1_j8pj5kd wrote
Yes but it is six years old https://content-static.northjersey.com/Data/caspio/bundle/NJTeachersPay.html
dirty_cuban t1_j8pjbw2 wrote
We’ll that’s ironic. People’s whose inflated salaries paid by tax dollars complaining about taxes. Are they willing to take a pay cut to lower taxes?
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JasperDyne t1_j8pkh7x wrote
Not too shabby for a bunch of “C” students in high school. That whole “Twenty years and out—with pension and benefits” is pretty sweet too.
Makes us college grads seem like a bunch of chumps.
MajorTeabagger t1_j8pl76y wrote
Anyway we can get an updated wage list? This is from 2019.
Rockhopper007 t1_j8pmsg0 wrote
Curious .. what town?
I'm in a town that has shared police resources and now I want to research what they (or builders, etc. pay) for traffic control around construction areas. 🤔
swifty1015 t1_j8pnrcu wrote
Start 👏🏻paying 👏🏻teachers 👏🏻more
Knomp2112 t1_j8pp9mu wrote
23 cops for a town of 9,000 people
18 of them make well over $100,000 a year.
Chief of Police pulled $305,000 in his retirement year (not including getting another town job) and he promptly moved out of town.
What a fucking scam!
riddermarknomad t1_j8ppkar wrote
Probably fighting the Joker or Thanos. Surely it's something super duper dangerous right? /s
peeehhh t1_j8pps46 wrote
When I lost my wallet, it was turned in to an officer in my town. When I called they didn’t know this as that officer kept it in his car. He knocked on my door one afternoon I was off work. You’re a tough guy to find he says suspiciously. He’d been stopping at my house mid day while I was working not leaving a note for close to a week. I mean what reason could there be for someone in their late 20s to be out of the house at 2pm on a Wednesday? This man makes >$80k base salary. This is a town of <2,000 residents.
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urbjam t1_j8pscrg wrote
Pick up an application folks. Many towns are hiring.
Carittz t1_j8pu2wl wrote
We should just make a larger state police responsible for all emergency calls and investigative work, and then have each county have a department for general law and order and traffic control.
Fallen_Mercury t1_j8pxjgh wrote
Hyper localized schools is how New Jersey achieved creating one of the most segregated school systems in the country. The high taxes tied to each district creates a paywall that disadvantages poor people and people of color who have been historically excluded from "nicer" towns and the accompanying schools.
If you really want to see consolidation, be prepared to be greeted with a lot of "not in my back yard" squealing when people realize that "those kids" will now be mingling with "my kids."
There's no way to consolidate without facing this problem. If you were to consolidate 6 districts into 1, with 2 of those districts being much poorer towns, how do you think the 4 wealthier towns would react? If they were to attempt to create a system that favored one town over the other, they would easily lose civil rights law suits for discrimination. Do you really think Ocean and Wall would want to deal with Neptune and Asbury? Do you see Robbinsville, Hamilton, Trenton, Lawrence, and Princeton working well together?
Don't get me wrong, I think consolidation is a good idea... I just think it's so unlikely that it's safe to say impossible. People who live on the right side of the tracks enjoy our segregated school system and they wouldn't want to give it up.
Sinsid t1_j8pyk1l wrote
Millstone Township
dirtynj t1_j8pymfy wrote
My district doesn't even have enough paper to give our students due to budgets...
Yet we just took on 2 extra admins with 6 figure salaries. It's a joke.
blankstare699 t1_j8pyo6o wrote
Don't even have to know the laws! Just harass people and demand ID in every interaction, whether you're allowed to legally or not
blankstare699 t1_j8pyxev wrote
Republicans claim to hate socialism, even though their two biggest fanboy crushes (police and military) cost more than anything else in this country.
KingRBPII t1_j8q1482 wrote
I like having a lot of cops around
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Yelwah t1_j8q41w5 wrote
What is this magical "Additional Pay" that's 4x the salary
Dino1087 t1_j8q4eb3 wrote
Nice, let’s compare two completely unrelated professions and make a stink about it. What does a teachers salary have to do with a law enforcement?
Dino1087 t1_j8q4ifw wrote
Do you know what dismissed means?
Dino1087 t1_j8q4kc9 wrote
Yup that’s all police officers do.
Dino1087 t1_j8q4zdy wrote
The amount of cop bashers on this post is Pretty pathetic to say the least. Also, comparing a teachers salary to a police officer is not only irrelevant it just doesn’t make sense. You know how many shitty teachers I’ve had in public schools that do the bare minimum? Just because you see a few news stories about corrupt police officers on the nightly news doesn’t mean they’re all corrupt and they all should be making “less money” by your standards. Most of these guys make overtime because they fucking work it and put the hours in. Some of you people need to stop generalizing an entire profession and look in the mirror as you comment on Reddit while milking whatever job you have at the moment. Should be ashamed
elvispookie t1_j8q4zja wrote
Back in the day, being 21, every guy I knew at a bar was going to be a cop.. you couldn’t find a dumber group of guys.. couldn’t make it as anything in life.. C- students.. so fuck it.. guess being a cop would work. Every girl I met wanted to be a teacher.. again.. C- level students. I remember saying to my friend.. future is gonna be not so bright… and here we are
gex80 t1_j8q5oz0 wrote
The point they are making is teachers who provide a much needed service are under paid and education could be better funded where as the police are able to make time and a half sitting in their cars at a construction job without lifting a finger.
One could argue that if we moved budget from the police to the schools, we would need less police because the average education goes up and with more education future adults would have more opportunities and less likely to commit crime.
gex80 t1_j8q63e9 wrote
What’s taking so long?
gex80 t1_j8q66en wrote
I fucking hate that thing. I report to the FCC each chance I get.
satriales856 t1_j8q77po wrote
Why the fuck are you arguing with me? I’m agreeing with you…
SmittyManJensen_ t1_j8q8dfg wrote
All additional income, often from overtime or off-duty details. Other examples include retirement payouts, grant-funded patrols, stipends, court time and other contractual perks that do not count toward an officer's pension.
sunfunbum1234 t1_j8q8jlo wrote
As soon as I read this I knew it had to be millstone. Kinda glad nothing more is getting developed in the town and we can keep our trees
Dino1087 t1_j8q8tyw wrote
That’s a giant over generalization of an entire profession though, both ways. Just because you see officers “sitting in cars wasting time” doesn’t mean a GREAT DEAL of them work overtime to bring children home to their mothers, solve crimes and provide justice for other families. Quite Frankly it’s bull shit too
Dino1087 t1_j8q95o1 wrote
Also, my father owned a paving business and 9 Times out of 10, the cops sitting at a construction job are paid for by the GC or entity running that job and are “loaned” out by the agency. So they’re actually providing a stable income thru other means that doesn’t come from the county or state or whatever means you’re trying to compare. It’s Just simply not true or comparable.
Dino1087 t1_j8q9h4b wrote
Also, teachers are underpaid because school boards lack the know how or care to put a good budget in place. Or the higher ups in that district are overpaid and not doing a damn thing about it. Blaming teachers salary on law enforcement is so dumb
imironman2018 t1_j8qejf2 wrote
You can do both. It’s not one or the other. There is so much waste with how these small towns can exist like duplicate town halls, council, fire department, EMS, and sanitation. There is a town that exists in North jersey that is only one city block. That is just ridiculous.
WakeRider11 t1_j8qkc5a wrote
At least the officers are getting a nice cut of the fee charged to whoever is asking for the service. We need EMT coverage for a 2 day event that I’m a part of and we were quoted $5k for the weekend. I bet those EMTs are still only getting $20-30 an hour if that. We did end up getting a better rate in the end.
vakr001 OP t1_j8qkf3s wrote
This is 100% true. My cousin is a high-ranking officer in Newark. Makes $150k a year dealing. My parents live in East Hanover, and they are pulling more than that. They are over policed.
Not to mention the piloce officers get the job because they know somebody and not based on qualifications.
Commercial-Nerve8916 t1_j8qllnd wrote
Isnt New Jersey where the mafia is?
TalenaTaylor t1_j8qq7qk wrote
Which town?
nomorobbo t1_j8r3pea wrote
One thing I never understood is that why these lists are so old for information. State employees (as public servants) are updated every quarter. Teachers/police/ etc are updated on a significantly less frequently basis.
The data OP linked is from 2019; so who knows what changed.
mapoftasmania t1_j8r8waz wrote
Yes it means he is now pulling down $500k and has apparently turned padding overtime into an art form.
UFumbDuckGaming t1_j8rb6qz wrote
The pay gap between #1 vs #2 is disgusting. And then there's additional pay? Wtf
imironman2018 t1_j8rcfq7 wrote
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guttenberg,_New_Jersey. 4 city blocks. One of the smallest and most densely populated towns in the country.
JoPeSup t1_j8rcuw8 wrote
it’s ALL taxpayers money.
JoPeSup t1_j8rd5gx wrote
the city holds the licenses and fees, and whoever is doing the work “pays to play”, so yeah, we all pay because the business has to grossly overpay for that contract.
waterandweights t1_j8rde3v wrote
No I’m stupid. Please go on.
MastersOfNoneShow t1_j8rdgo8 wrote
Similar feelings here. Every time I ran into someone at a bar and asked what they're doing and they said "oh I'm a cop" I'd think "You? But you're an idiot."
Dozzi92 t1_j8re9yr wrote
Yeah, I'm not suggesting I agree with the whole practice. Personally, I think some dude who's new to construction is perfectly capable of standing and holding a flag or something for about $100 less an hour than a cop. But I also imagine that there is some benefit to having a cop doing it versus just some kid with a flag.
No5tepOn5nek t1_j8rggg8 wrote
And how are your taxes? Does not having these public services make a noticeable difference?
Sinsid t1_j8rh2br wrote
I think Millstone is great! Its about as rural a place as you can find in NJ. And it’s about halfway between NYC and Philly for commuting and 30 minutes to the beach. I’ve got 3 acres, and I think that’s about average in millstone.
Sinsid t1_j8rhtpt wrote
Well I thought so. I picked millstone based on low taxes compared to what I was paying in northern NJ before, proximity to 95, being about halfway between NYC and Philly seemed like a sweet spot for commuting. 30 minutes to the beach is nice. My house is about 8 minutes from six flags so in the summer I take my son over after school / camp for a few hours and it’s no big deal.
RafeDangerous t1_j8rj95x wrote
There are legal restrictions on who can direct traffic, so standing there with a flag at a roadblock might be okay but that person can't actually direct anyone to do anything unless they've been certified for it. Also, people are assholes. If they think there's no consequences for just ignoring your roadblock, they will - I've manned roadblocks during storms and had people call me an asshole, drive around me, and go straight into 5' deep flood water. Same type of roadblock with a cop at the end of it doesn't usually see problems like that. If I had a construction site going that I really really didn't want people driving into, I'd prefer to have a cop doing traffic control over a flag-man any day.
SprintAirlines t1_j8rjprb wrote
Morning! Remember this from yesterday? Have a good day!
Dozzi92 t1_j8rk813 wrote
Yeah, agree with everything you said. The law, that can be changed, and it was like, what a decade or two ago? But at the end of the day, folks are definitely less inclined to tell a cop to fuck off.
SyndicalistCPA t1_j8rnauv wrote
Might want to look into price gouging, planned obsolescence, disaster capitalism, etc.
jrdidriks t1_j8rnlsi wrote
When I said defund the police, I meant it. These are exorbitant.
rpg25 t1_j8rnxp3 wrote
You’re correct in thinking that the construction companies are the ones paying to have traffic control and security. That said, it’s naive if you think that cost doesn’t get built into the project and thusly passed on to the general public. It may not be “tax dollars” but it certainly otherwise contributes to the high cost of living in this area.
rpg25 t1_j8rrdbv wrote
It’s not just unions. It’s the towns themselves. I know of a jurisdiction that had a massive opportunity to consolidate and not lay anyone off due to attrition (there were a large amount of people set to retire). They didn’t pursue it because they would lose home rule and there was just too much “unknown” for them.
rpg25 t1_j8rrmjo wrote
Wrong. Overtime is not pensionable in NJ. Only your base salary is. He could work $1m in OT. It’s not going to increase his pension on cent.
Does anyone know if this guy “retired” before he took the director job? That could explain the large number. He could have retired from the police service and been cut a check for a career’s worth of unused vacation, holidays, comp time, and sick time (sick is capped at $15K and comp time 480 hours worth).
STMIHA t1_j8rt5hn wrote
So many spouses about to go off
STMIHA t1_j8rtfnz wrote
A cop doesn’t hold a flag. The low man on the construction totem pole does. Cops are present to prevent a pedestrian or motorist from interacting with said work/ in case something does happen. Sometimes it seems a bit much but that’s just how things are.
whyreallywhy t1_j8s0p6f wrote
If 23 is too many, what is the right amount?
DirtyHoboLifeStyle t1_j8s12lu wrote
Those are scams. They don’t make over the phone unsolicited calls. So there scammers disguised as police.
Knomp2112 t1_j8s12zi wrote
Just enough not to bankrupt our small town
bros402 t1_j8s16zr wrote
think about the poor friends of the super, they need 6 figure jobes too!
bros402 t1_j8s1eaa wrote
the funny thing is that a lot of those small towns do shared courts - but refuse to consider sharing things like public works
bros402 t1_j8s1p5n wrote
imo no school district should be allowed to have less than 2500-3000 students and if it does, it should be merged into the district with the highest DFG that borders it.
but I think that towns having their own school districts makes sense - it would be better for more districts to have regional HSes, though
bros402 t1_j8s24n6 wrote
yuuup - a few towns in Monmouth used to share courts, but the other towns withdrew because they were viewing the court as a "profit machine" when the people running the court told them it was not, and they wouldn't lock people up on bullshit (and this was before the bail reform)
nowjerseyjon t1_j8s66r8 wrote
We have an insane # of municipalities and school districts for a state this size. It's super inefficient. Good luck getting anyone with the power to do it to consolidate. Maybe one or 2 here and there. Can anyone name any municipalities besides possibly Peapack & Gladstone &that have merged? Any since 1912? In fact, reading up on P&G, that may not really have been a merger.
imironman2018 t1_j8s7a6t wrote
if you think about it, why would you share public works or police departments or city services- it is a huge cash cow for the town workers with very little work actually done.
peter-doubt t1_j8s7bae wrote
Phone solicitors can take in 80+% of the contribution.. near nothing goes to cops
bros402 t1_j8sa55f wrote
public works even refuses to do shit in the town
imironman2018 t1_j8sarfw wrote
yes. or if they do the work, they make sure to stretch it to as long as possible so they can milk it even more. like redoing roads or fixing broken street lights or signs.
PirateForward8827 t1_j8sb16v wrote
Not necessarily non-tax dollars. If they are working on a road crew, whether it be a town, county, or state road, the taxpayer is still paying.
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Dozzi92 t1_j8sgjef wrote
Yeah, I could've been more clear. If a third party is opening the road for whatever reason, it's on their dime, presumably from some escrow. If the municipality is, it's from a different pool of taxpayer dollars.
whyreallywhy t1_j8slf01 wrote
23 - 1 chief = 22 22 - 1 admin officer = 21 21 - 1 detective = 20 There are other required administrative positions, but let's skip those. That leaves us with 20 patrol officers/sergeants There are 168 hours in a week divided by 40 hours is 4.2 shifts to cover. So to have one single officer at all times you need to hire 5. You probably want at least 2 though as the whole purpose is safety, so that is 10. Obviously you need more than the bare minimum though as there is times officers will be on sick leave or vacation, so another 5 to have proper staffing.
So that leaves us with 5 you could get rid of.
So about a $500K savings, will that stop your town from bankruptcy?
bros402 t1_j8sq30g wrote
one of my parents works for a town
needs a lightbulb replaced, calls down to public works
"can't you do it yourself?"
"No, it's a fluorescent bulb"
"what if we drop off the bulb can't you just do it"
Knomp2112 t1_j8t3511 wrote
The fact you failed to mention pensions just proves you have a blue lives matter flag sticker on your car.
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whyreallywhy t1_j8t4gwu wrote
You are right! I left out $50K from that quick and dirty write up!
The towns pay a matching 10%of the salary to PFRS, so to make the numbers easy 100K a year the town actually pays $110K for that person and the individual also pays 10% of the $100 into the PFRS pension fund meaning their taxable income is $90K as it is a pre tax deduction. Once they retire the town doesn't pay anymore for thay individual, but then only pays 10% of the new $50 salary, so thay is why "pension buy backs" where incentives for people to retire early are given as it is a more expensive payment for senior members than newer members.
It's okay to be mad about what they make, just make sure to be informed mad!
Or you know possibly get mad at the system that is grossly underpaying you. Unionize! Take the power away from the rich!
tarzan_boy t1_j8tuq6n wrote
90k with 20k ish overtime is reasonable. I agree we need to merge towns but for anyone complaining about how much they earn.... maybe find a better job? I can make 100k with certs and no degree fully remote.
Dino1087 t1_j8u1dd3 wrote
Yeah or dismissed because there wasn’t a case. So little jerk offs like you can sit on a Reddit message board and bitch and moan about other peoples salary
mapoftasmania t1_j8u3sf6 wrote
What a tough guy. Obvious cop mentality. Weak.
jersey_girl660 t1_j8udsf8 wrote
That’s straight up false.
jersey_girl660 t1_j8uduq8 wrote
I’m glad you like that but hard hard pass for me.
jersey_girl660 t1_j8ue7g3 wrote
This was one specific agency. I’m all for police reform but let’s not pretend one specific agency in the US speaks for all. Different agencies have radically different hiring processes. State police requires at least 60 credits of college and most have a bachelors. Cities like Trenton and Camden desperately need police officers so they don’t have as stringent of requirements. Richer towns likely have more educated cops like the state police.
jersey_girl660 t1_j8ueghg wrote
No way that was all from the job. Even the highest paying agencies don’t start you out at 250,000 or even 150,000 a year.
jersey_girl660 t1_j8uej1g wrote
No it’s not. Not at all.
jersey_girl660 t1_j8uen23 wrote
This is not at all true. Go through the process and see how many people don’t make it. You’d be surprised.
jersey_girl660 t1_j8uf7in wrote
Then go be one? Multiple cities need cops. You won’t make what you think you will though unless you wanna be working 7 days a week
ManchuDemon t1_j8ukkxb wrote
Allow me to clarify: anyone can take the civil service test and anyone can apply. Of course not everyone is going to make it, that's a given. It's highly selective for a reason. But the point is it's equal opportunity.
Dino1087 t1_j8ur6f5 wrote
Not a tough guy or cop. Don’t even have cops In my family. Just tired of babies on the internet crucifying cops from their keyboard like they know it all
mapoftasmania t1_j8ureb3 wrote
So you think over half a million dollars a year is a fair salary for a cop?
Then you are a fucking idiot.
laiod t1_j8v7bva wrote
And I paid a large amount to get that degree. Oh well.
SpankyMcDangle t1_j8wcryx wrote
The problem is not the small (tiny?) amount of thug/brutal/corrupt cops on payroll, its the insane amout of protection these bad cops get from the police unions and PBAs that is the problem. Otherwise good cops will almost never ever ever turn jn a bad cop-PERIOD. And we are talking about cops who rape, murder, burglarize, sell drugs etc. Those walking shit bags with a badge have near full immunity and if by some reason they do get caught- most of the time they retire with full salary and then we'll go to a neighboring town to get another police job.
SpankyMcDangle t1_j8wcxdf wrote
Mandatory overtime required by contracts. Police unions are at the root of the problem in almost every instance of police malfeasance
TalenaTaylor t1_j8ye33j wrote
That’s interesting. Never heard of that town before.
itsnotthasmall t1_j96xve8 wrote
Going through this site hurts my soul
Special_FX_B t1_j8nktm0 wrote
Insane. High property taxes? Exhibit A. Extra pay for sitting in a car doing nothing or watching a high school wrestling match should be at the rate a store security guard gets paid. No wonder cops drive very expensive cars and own second homes in their 40’s.