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ZZZ-Top t1_ja62hp9 wrote

Certainly took long enough

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TzarKazm t1_ja6djjs wrote

Replying to ZZZ-Top (#2,045,756)

It doesn't say when he was arrested, I'm guessing he was arrested at the scene. Charges are filed by a district attorney, arraignment is done by a judge. It's not at all uncommon for those people to only work weekdays.

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robodestructor444 t1_ja6r7s1 wrote

Fucking car drivers always getting away killing people, especially cyclists.

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GeekFurious t1_ja75524 wrote

Based on what I'm reading, this doesn't seem like a targeted attack. More like careless driving. That's why he's being charged with manslaughter.

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Arb3395 t1_ja772nx wrote

Replying to CrazyLlama71 (#2,047,434)

Nah they will to a flip off the hood of the car and while performing the flip fire two shots into the engine block to stop the car. Of course they barely stick the landing though cause nobody is perfect and flips are hard

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stew9703 t1_ja7g6tn wrote

Replying to robodestructor444 (#2,048,550)

Its a giant machine that you are nearly forced by societial pressures, such of needing a job and house prices around that job, to use. Not only that he stayed at the scene after the collision he was at fault of, and he is bei g charged with manslaughter. 2 charges of it most likely. There is no way he is just getting away with it and theres no way driving a car is like the blessed faction you're making it out to be.

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doitroygsbre t1_ja7jt5m wrote

Replying to GeekFurious (#2,051,038)

He's also being charged with three counts of aggrivated assault (basically intentionally attacking a person with a weapon , most likely the truck in this instance).

Charging him with assault should require intention. Of course police file the charges, and the prosecutor can amend them as more details come to light. There isn't exactly a lot to go on in the reporting I've seen.

I hope this isn't a case of road rage or intentionally targeting a large group of cyclists. I don't like losing my faith in humanity, but I can't just write this off as a tragic accident either.

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GroundbreakingDot961 t1_ja7mjwl wrote

I’m a pool guy I drive on this road almost everyday. This is a road I have always said something like this is going to happen. The drivers that are on this road go at least 15 over at a minimum speed limit is 45 and everyone does at least 60. The bridge is also located at the bottom of a twisty desert road. The saddest thing about this is that about 70% of the people driving and speeding on this road are law enforcement officers. The homes they live in are at the top of the hill.

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thisonesforthetoys t1_ja7qsk6 wrote

Replying to GroundbreakingDot961 (#2,054,534)

>The bridge is also located at the bottom of a twisty desert road. The saddest thing about this is that about 70% of the people driving and speeding on this road are law enforcement officers. The homes they live in are at the top of the hill.

As a guy who lives right behind where this accident occurred(and hiked the hill to look down on it Saturday), I call BS on almost everything you say except the 'everyone does 60'. There's 1 'twist/shift' before the bridge heading northbound(incident occurred on SB side, right about along the halfway point of it). Loosely according to your stats 70% of EMR residents are LEO. Umm, no.

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GeekFurious t1_ja7r0f7 wrote

Replying to doitroygsbre (#2,053,923)

> He's also being charged with three counts of aggrivated assault

If he said he was fucking around and meant to "scare" someone and accidentally lost control this would be a reasonable charge without him intentionally meaning to hit anyone.

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islet_deficiency t1_ja7ve6p wrote

Replying to tronaldmcdump (#2,055,116)

It's a job that likely entails a lot of driving around their community, so it's a little relevant. They may be driving this road at different times of day as well. That probably makes a good sample of experiences from which to draw their conclusions.

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Riff_Ralph t1_ja7x0km wrote

Replying to durgadurgadurg (#2,054,283)

And that article is almost 18 months old. I haven’t been able to find out if there has been any further action regarding prosecuting that idiot. I have a funny feeling that charges will be swept under the rug eventually.

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psychicsword t1_ja80as2 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,045,072)

Some jurisdictions use the word manslaughter for the crime we often call second degree murder. They can be interchangeable.

I am not sure about this specific charge but it is possible that is what is happening.

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asdaaaaaaaa t1_ja83fa2 wrote

Replying to ZZZ-Top (#2,045,776)

Yeah, your gun will really stop a car. You do realize if you start shooting/threatening at someone, I'd be betting they'd want to run you down irregardless for their own safety. I wouldn't blame them either, there's not many scenarios where introducing a gun actually helps your safety. Especially when you're so sure of yourself, you seem like the type of person to flash a gun because someone cut you off.

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ThatSpecialAgent t1_ja86ccp wrote

Shit like this really drives home the fact that we need to take some serious looks at our drivers license laws and requirements.

Specifically in AZ where this took place, the standard license doesnt expire for what feels like forever. My drivers license, as an example, is good through 2060. I have friends who have licenses that dont expire until 2065.

While cars are generally getting safer, many are also getting substantially heavier, especially as electric vehicles push into the market. It is batshit crazy to me that you dont need a commercial license (or a special license of some sort) to drive something like the new electric hummer, which has a curb weight of 9,063 lbs (a ford f150 weighs about 5,000 lbs by comparison). You can make any standard car as safe as you want, but if you get hit by someone texting in a 10k lb vehicle going 50 mph, you are probably fucked.

Living in Phoenix, the amount of careless driving I see every day is terrifying. People text and drive, run reds, brake check, etc and pay no mind to the fact that they are literally operating heavy machinery.

Glad there are charges being pressed, but damn it would be nice if there was a serious push to make people safer, not just vehicles. Eye-tracking in cars to detect when a driver is texting, more stringent license requirements and more specific categories based on vehicle weight, not just application, are some examples of things that could seriously reduce the amount of incidents that happen as a result of carelessness.

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17times2 t1_ja86ito wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,059,137)

> Driver hits cyclist and in retaliation another cyclist shoots driver. Didn’t stop the cyclist from getting hit.

Nothing about this changed in the 2nd article.

> Downvote away

OK.

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doitroygsbre t1_ja86y35 wrote

Replying to pm_me_ur_pharah (#2,059,146)

I've been driving for a number of years. I've seen people doing their makeup, eating, trimming their fingernails, shaving, and reading (all before self driving cars were a possibility). And of course, drunk, drugged, driving while exhausted, or texting are all a possibility.

It is unlikely that the truck driver drove into the cyclists without at least knowing that they were there, but there is a possibility that he was just unfit to operate a motor vehicle.

Edit: just to add ... as a cyclist, I've been pushed off the road by drivers, and I've had a tanker truck blow their horn at me while passing mere inches from my handlebars at 60mph ... fuck cars, but I'd like to hope that most drivers aren't out to kill us for not driving.

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17times2 t1_ja88dz6 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,059,835)

> He stopped himself... from being hit when the driver returned.

Demonstrably false, according to the article. The driver not hitting him was why he was able to shoot in the first place.

> He stopped... others from being hit when the driver returned.

Demonstrably false, according to the article. There were no others with them.

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PazDak t1_ja8hy2r wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,057,269)

Charged and went to court and guilty are very different topics... Probably easy for a well connected kid to be told ... "Hey we have to charge you because of this, but your under 18 so your name won't be in it... but we are going to make an accident in the paperwork and you will walk away"

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thoughtsofmadness t1_ja8u3it wrote

Replying to stew9703 (#2,053,074)

>There is no way he is just getting away with it and theres no way driving a car is like the blessed faction you're making it out to be.

I agree with you on the first part, but not the second. Plenty of times drivers get away with seriously hurting or maiming people in "accidents"

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GeekFurious t1_ja8vmt5 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,065,989)

All I said was that it didn't seem like a "targeted attack" which would be a different charge. Meaning, he didn't get in his car that day to drive over a bunch of people on bikes. Something happened at the moment and he acted recklessly and caused deaths.

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cwmoo740 t1_ja92xrr wrote

Replying to pm_me_ur_pharah (#2,059,146)

People absolutely do that. A few weeks ago I was almost taken off my bike when someone ran a red light because she leaned all the way over into the passenger footwell space to retrieve her phone from her purse while she was still moving towards the intersection. She was still going ~10mph and took her foot off the brake entirely and put her head below the dash. People take their eyes off the road and hands off the wheel for like ~10 sec to fiddle with their phones, which is a lifetime while traveling at 100km/h.

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An-Angel-Named-Billy t1_ja9gz0d wrote

Replying to ThatSpecialAgent (#2,059,441)

Yes cars are getting heavier, wider and taller. Heavier vehicles that sit higher are far more likely to kill pedestrians or even other drivers of non raised up flat front pickup trucks. Trucks and SUVs now make up the majority of personal vehicles sold every year. Roadways are designed for psychopathic speeds, even within towns and cities. Driver's license are seen as a natural right of our citizenry and are as easy to get as ever. Even if they were not, enforcement of driving infractions has plummeted and in many cities is non existent now.

Are we really surprised that road deaths have spiked in the past few years and pedestrian deaths have been rising for over a decade and are at the worst point they have been in over 30 years?

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Riff_Ralph t1_ja9p6q4 wrote

Dollars to donuts the driver is uninsured.

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FSDLAXATL t1_ja9qni5 wrote

Replying to islet_deficiency (#2,056,584)

Can confirm. Was a pool guy in the 1980s, I knew the LA/Orange county grid like the back of my hand when I was done 2 years later. Drove all over the place at least 4 hours per day from pool to pool. Thomas Guides for the win.

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TheKerpowski t1_ja9z8cx wrote

Replying to PazDak (#2,062,492)

Idk if you’ve ever met triathletes before, but I’m guessing there was at least one lawyer in that group. These are highly driven people who spend their free time exercising like maniacs. If the kid isn’t charged, he’ll be sued into the poor house along with his parents.

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rolsskk t1_jaaam3s wrote

Replying to stew9703 (#2,053,074)

Unfortunately, more likely than not, he’ll get away with it. A careless driver drove over two cyclists in Miami and the cops just shrugged and called it all a “tragic accident.”

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PazDak t1_jacatjy wrote

Replying to Ed_Durr (#2,077,672)

Yeah it is kind of weird... Probably the same mindset that tells a person they need to do an IronMan is probably the same mindset to get to high paying jobs.

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Brainmouth t1_jacvb09 wrote

Replying to stew9703 (#2,053,074)

You are not forced to drive, nor are you forced to drive an SUV. You can choose to live closer to work, near public transit, etc. The $500 you’re saving on rent or mortgage living further from work is just funding your death machine anyway.

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stew9703 t1_jacwhah wrote

Replying to Brainmouth (#2,106,734)

Considering the car bill is 126 a month and gas is about 50 every two weeks? The extra 500 I save going toward my own mortgage rather than going 100% into the pocket of a landlord is going much further than you think.

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