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centosdude t1_jdh0f5l wrote

Looks like India bet on the wrong team to supply their military needs.

Russia “is no longer a reliable weapons supplier” and Indian representatives are “coming to understand that there could be real benefits for them (in finding other markets),” the official told reporters in New York.

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edingerc t1_jdh26ct wrote

It really sucks when your arms dealer goes and invades another country with your stock.

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edingerc t1_jdh2fnr wrote

Replying to 008Zulu (#2,332,091)

Dear Afghanistan, Would you please send us the AK’s we left in your country in the 70’s? I know you told us to clean up our room but I assume you just put our stuff in a box in the attic. Love, V

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nickyeyez t1_jdh8xxt wrote

I don't know what is up with Russia. It's just not LIKE them to reneg on a deal...

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RedneckLiberace t1_jdhiy46 wrote

Pray Putin doesn't resort to using nuclear weapons because they're the only weapons Russia has left.

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JoJo-Bizarre-1997 t1_jdhq69j wrote

Cheap oil does not bring weapons. Especially when your favourite ally is now a puppet of your most hated enemy.

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campbrs t1_jdhxlrl wrote

And at this point never will

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Mjfoster0825 t1_jdhytlc wrote

The thumbnail looks like the funnest missile ever

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Lumpy-Ad-2103 t1_jdi1jon wrote

Replying to howsyourdayoff (#2,335,785)

I’ve heard some interesting perspectives on the whole India buying Russian oil thing. It seems to have been a strategic option to allow Russian oil to continue to get into the international supply chains (so as to not drastically impact overall supply/pricing) while also drastically reducing the amount of money that Russia makes off of it.

At this point Russia is essentially losing money on every barrel of oil it sells to India.

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howsyourdayoff t1_jdi4pd4 wrote

Replying to Lumpy-Ad-2103 (#2,336,733)

...While innocent Ukrainians are still dying, being tortured, raped and traumatized. Fuck that. India is wrong in this situation and should be held accountable for it or at least Ukraine's allies should cut them off from everything they need. Fuck their stance on this.

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madumi-mike t1_jdibotx wrote

MFers can’t make bullets for themselves, how is India still “buying” from them?

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MeatsimPD t1_jdid1ft wrote

Replying to howsyourdayoff (#2,335,785)

India tries to stand apart from all the major powers/blocs: US, Russia, EU, and especially China. It doesn't want to be best friends with any of them nor enemies, even regarding it's territorial disputes with China is pretty passive.

"Non-alignment" has been India's foreign policy strategy for decades

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_neutral_person t1_jdigf0m wrote

Replying to Lumpy-Ad-2103 (#2,336,733)

The oil pipelines from Russian to India can only send but so much oil. India and Russia could improve the infrastructure to allow for more oil sales but it would cost money, time, and india would have to start right now because Russia could collapse before it is built making it useless.

India is trying to become a world power. They see removing the USA as the world dominate power as key to achieving this goal. Supporting Russia is part of the plan as any nation in BRICS in theory should be doing. At the same time the consequences of such action should be realized as well.

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howsyourdayoff t1_jdih023 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,338,341)

What does being white have to do with it? Russian media is literally dictated and directed by Putin himself and with how pathetic he is as a leader, he wants all the people watching Russian media to be given talking points that make Russia always look like they're in the right and doing good things. Media should show both the good and the bad- you know FACTS. Showing facts isn't propaganda. It doesn't sway one way or the other.

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howsyourdayoff t1_jdimc41 wrote

Replying to Spetznazx (#2,338,463)

Fine by me. They're not supporting Ukraine and by purchasing Russian goods are actually against Ukraine. Why's it a big deal if Pakistan can fight against India...it's almost like you have a double standard. If people were selling weapons to Pakistan, would that be a problem?

Edit: anyone who doesn't get the meaning behind most of MY comments aren't paying attention or are Russian/Indian apologists/sympathizers

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Spetznazx t1_jdinw2v wrote

Replying to howsyourdayoff (#2,339,140)

Look if you can't understand the geopolitical environment of more than just Ukraine than that's on you. Yes India taking a more neutral route in the war sucks, there is still a lot more going on outside that.

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SuperstitiousPigeon5 t1_jdipr18 wrote

Replying to ogipogo (#2,338,707)

In some cases the victor remembers those who ride the fence.

Azrael : No, I was an ARTIST, STUPID! I WAS INSPIRATION! A muse has no place in battle!

Serendipity : So after the fallen were banished to hell, God turned on those who wouldn't fight, and Azrael was sent down with the demons.

[mockingly]

Serendipity : Something he considers a GRAVE injustice!

Azrael : Ah, come on! Don't tell me you NEVER questioned the judgement, Serendipity.

Serendipity : No. It never bothered me. So you were an artist! Big deal! Elvis was an artist. But that didn't stop him from joining the service in time of war. And that's why he's The King, and you're a schmuck.

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Out_and_about_home t1_jdit23s wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,334,923)

Remember the genocide in Bangladesh which was supported by U.S. and when India tried to stop it then U.S. threatened to declare war on India but Russia supported India in liberation of Bangladesh? U.S. may forget but India certainly remembers its allies during crisis.

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KnightFox t1_jdiygpq wrote

India is spending enough on arms to build a domestic arms industry for most of their arms sales, and could develop full domestic capacity in the next 30 years but they don't seem to want to make the investment.

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getBusyChild t1_jdk4ix4 wrote

Replying to KnightFox (#2,340,340)

That idea went out the window almost a decade ago when they realized that they not only did not have the tooling, nor the heavy industry. But also the brains needed to start, and back such programs. The people that would have helped usually leave for the US, or Europe after getting their degrees. Or more likely stayed in those places after getting said degrees. it also doesn't help that they are having to increasingly pay to upkeep their older weapons, models. Mainly ships etc. So the domestic arms industry has been pushed back as a result.

But the Government did built plenty of temples etc. So there's that.

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jschubart t1_jdkfi5t wrote

Getting high off their own supply.

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Lumpy-Ad-2103 t1_jdl05cm wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,338,979)

One of the key points of this strategy is that we can’t afford for ~10 million barrels of Russian oil to leave the market without serious consequences. On top of that much of Russia’s oil would likely be shut down for years if they have to turn off production. This would result in substantial rises in energy costs, huge energy shortages in many developing countries, massive supply chain disruptions and, possibly most importantly, would likely drive a huge wedge into the coalition that is supporting Ukraine.

I don’t know if this is the best option available, but there are so many consequences to just shutting them out that I don’t think that’s the best option either.

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Lumpy-Ad-2103 t1_jdl0anv wrote

Replying to howsyourdayoff (#2,337,049)

This isn’t just India’s stance. It’s a loophole that was more than likely intentional.

One of the key points of this strategy is that we can’t afford for ~10 million barrels of Russian oil to leave the market without serious consequences. On top of that much of Russia’s oil would likely be shut down for years if they have to turn off production. This would result in substantial rises in energy costs, huge energy shortages in many developing countries, massive supply chain disruptions and, possibly most importantly, would likely drive a huge wedge into the coalition that is supporting Ukraine.

I don’t know if this is the best option available, but there are so many consequences to just shutting them out that I don’t think that’s the best option either.

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Lumpy-Ad-2103 t1_jdl13nb wrote

Replying to _neutral_person (#2,338,334)

The majority of new oil imports to India are actually going by tanker from the Baltic ports. This is all of the oil from West of the Ural Mountains. That is the oil that lost its European markets and had to find a new buyer.

India has no interest in “removing” the US as a dominant power. India is part of “The Quad” and their geopolitical goals seem to be fairly aligned with US interests in south east Asia/south China sea.

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imtourist t1_jdlajmw wrote

Replying to Lumpy-Ad-2103 (#2,348,158)

This might sound unpopular to a lot of people however it is the right thing to do. Having that much oil go offline for years would be a major economic shock to the world and would actually endanger ongoing military and humanitarian support for Ukraine.

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imtourist t1_jdlazqd wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,339,466)

First of all the decision by India to buy Russian oil is mainly economic although it is tacitly approved by the US and the rest of the west. There is an independent undercurrent here though and that is to drive wedges like this in the world order in order highlight the importance of India. The country's collective self-esteem is partially driven by what was in the rear view mirror but now more so to better industrialize and gain respect (e.g. a seat on the security council).

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MightyH20 t1_jdlnofu wrote

Karma, albeit an imaginary concept in the west it is a very "real" concept in the east. This is what karma tastes like.

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internet_chump t1_jdlqyk3 wrote

Oh no! But what about ThE mUsLiMs ??- Narendra Modi, probably

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WirelessBCupSupport t1_jdp12jt wrote

I think India needs to be sent a message: no more H1/technical Visas to countries that back the Ukraine. And tech companies need to outsource phone support to Malaysia, Phillipines, elsewhere. Hurt their wallet. Oh, and Apple, no, you backed the wrong horse again, for making iPhones.

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Out_and_about_home t1_jdpnejx wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,339,846)

Funny you say this but no step was taken by anyone to actively stop this genocide. All they care about is placing nukes in Ukraine to deter Russia. Let's not try to act like any one has a moral high ground here.

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bilbo_swagginz_boi t1_jdqpwaz wrote

Replying to centosdude (#2,332,539)

Never got past the friendship with the USSR. It’ll come to bite them in the end by trying to either alienating or being outright enemies with:

  • The West (aside from maybe France)
  • China
  • Pakistan

With Russia/Japan/UAE/Bangladesh as friendlies.

Russia is currently engaging in genocide and can’t afford to help india out aside from selling dirt cheap oil. The more they cozy to russia the less the West would see them as a friend.

China is already at odds with India with no signs of stopping.

The West has a ton of resources and military strength. It’d be foolish not to expand those ties. Nixon hasn’t been president in 50 years. But instead we’re seeing India obsess over being it’s own superpower.

Japan I doubt can supply them much militarily, probably mostly economic assistance. Even then Japan has a demographic crisis with aging population:

Bangladesh is not developed enough to be a lucrative neighbor yet.

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