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SheriffComey t1_jebm7hi wrote
There's a reason Ft. Lauderdale worked very hard to stop being a spring break destination of Ft Liquordale.
At the time lots of bars/people were pissed but after highlighting the costs of cleanup and everything else once the spring breakers left, it turned out to be a good move because Spring Break families (people with money) flocked to Ft. Lauderdale and kept it nice-ish and Spring Breakers (the ones with less money) went to Panama City and Miami and didnt' keep it so nice.
pegothejerk t1_jebngsh wrote
Huh, well it's a conservative haven, where conservative values should fix problems if they're worth the air time they spout them on, so maybe they should just hand out guns to everyone who comes to Miami beach, since arming everyone is supposed to stop the issue of scary people being a threat.
billiarddaddy t1_jebo6vr wrote
I think I'd be closed during spring break if I lived there.
LoveArguingPolitics t1_jebpnux wrote
I live in Phoenix but it's the same thing nationwide. It's really depressing having your city be treated like a drive through for out of towners to pleasure and comfort themselves in.
They do this under the guise of tourist dollars but the benefits never come back to the city. We don't ever see the new community center or high school tourist dollars bring in, because tourists don't actually bring that much money.
Just look at the Hawaiians begging people not to visit.
I don't know what the answer is but modern tourism just absolutely crushes communities. I hate it
BootyMcSqueak t1_jebq6kr wrote
That’s disappointing. I was planning a trip to Hawaii next year. But we’re not disrespectful asshats, so I hope it’ll be ok to visit?
JPWRana t1_jebrdkn wrote
The answer is higher fees and taxes, along with competent people providing vision and support.
BubbaTee t1_jebrq1h wrote
You'll be fine. If you're self-aware enough to be worried about being an asshole tourist, you're probably not one.
LoveArguingPolitics t1_jebrr4v wrote
There's lots of reasons, im not Hawaiian so I'm not going to say what is and isn't okay to do on their ancestral land but i think people all just reevaluating things, like do we really need tourist dollars? Especially when the money just goes to some nameless faceless international corporation.
If my money stayed in Phoenix A+ idea, but it doesn't, and it gets tiring watching Midwest Becky come down here and get stupid for a week and tax the fuck out of the infrastructure and pretend like the damage she did is outweighed by the 45$ of taxes we got off of her
Available-Camera8691 t1_jebrtu8 wrote
Tbf, Phoenix is a city that shouldn't exist. It is a monument to man's arrogance.
LoveArguingPolitics t1_jebs8be wrote
Not really.
Fees and taxes just go to make the airport bigger and subsidize tax breaks for more hotel chains.
The money never actually gets invested in the community and call me crazy but communities should exist for the people who live their not for tourists to use as a public toilet
LoveArguingPolitics t1_jebsrfp wrote
Not really. This is a comment to how ignorant you are about the abundance of water in the Sonoran desert.
Arizona generates plenty of water to make Phoenix about 4x bigger than it already is.
The water shortage is because we grow outsiders lettuce and alfafa to our detriment. If we cut out those two crops which is like a nothing's to our GDP we'd cut water usage by 65% and the city would have all the water it needs.
But be another ignorant outsider telling me how things are where I'm from and see how it works out for you
Edit: total industrial and residential water usage in Phoenix valley = 18%, agriculture= 82%. Alfalfa and leafy greens grown for export represent the lions share of that 82%
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PineCreekCathedral t1_jebt5dj wrote
It's a joke from King of the Hill, but thanks for the info. I actually didn't know that.
BrendanTFirefly t1_jebtfr2 wrote
Modern tourism just gets your town turned into AirBNBs
Available-Camera8691 t1_jebus6r wrote
Wow. Touchy subject? Called me ignorant twice! Lol.
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CumBobDirtyPants t1_jebvdog wrote
Nah man, Hawaiians LOVE tourists!
All kidding aside, if you're respectful enough to ask, you're probably a decent person and not the problem.
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rogue-elephant t1_jebvgtf wrote
Boo hoo. I've been some of the restaurants at Miami Beach, the prices are insane. $60 for Sysco pasta and a watered down drink for $20. They will be fine. Place is tourist trap in the winter anyways.
LoveArguingPolitics t1_jebvrvl wrote
Kind of, because people tell us all how were so stupid and don't have any water but it's all because corporations and large agriculture have robbed and ruined our natural resources and we are locked in a death battle with them ...
People will be like shame on the people... Who collectively use 8% of all the water in the state...
You get sick of ignorant people telling you that you're life is stupid when it's not
Wideawakedup t1_jebwtap wrote
My cousins went to Fort Lauderdale this year. A group of 40 something’s and 2 teens. They will eat out 2 out of 3 meals. Have 1 or 2 high end cocktails and 3-4 will go back and chill by the pool while 5 stay and continue to drink $12 drinks, share a few appetizers, tip well then Uber home around midnight.
Who do you prefer frequenting your establishment?
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Wideawakedup t1_jebx3c9 wrote
Serve breakfast and lunch. Get a few day drinkers and close by 6.
BubbaTee t1_jebx79f wrote
>Just look at the Hawaiians begging people not to visit.
If it wasn't for tourism, Hawai'i would've spent the last 50 years impoverished like modern-day Puerto Rico, following the sugar collapse in the 1970s.
I don't see Hawai'ians complaining that they have public schools, or hospitals, or any of the other services that tourist dollars affords them. Tourists dump $18 billion cash into Hawai'i every year (except during Covid, obviously) - that's a lot more than Hawai'ians are putting back into slots at the Cal in downtown Vegas, it's quite the trade imbalance.
It's like the anti-tourism folks don't see the connection between this:
>“I think that it is too easy for people to visit places like Hawaii,” (Kyle Kajihiro, a lecturer at the University of Hawaii at Mānoa) said.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/18/us/hawaii-tourism-impact-united-shades-cec/index.html
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and this (all during Covid, when Hawai'ian tourism was massively reduced):
- Legislature cuts University of Hawaii-Manoa’s operating budget by nearly 14%
- Hawaii’s Budget Relies on Federal Relief Funds to Avoid Cuts
- The Battered State Budget Will Dominate The Next Hawaii Legislature: With money tight, lawmakers are looking to the Biden administration and Congress to help shore up a huge deficit as the 2021 session opens this week.
- Hawaii teachers union says layoffs still loom even with $123M less in cuts
- Hawaiian Airlines may lay off more than 800 employees
- Reduced hours, layoffs and furloughs resume in Hawaii tourism as federal safety net disappears
- Hawaiian Hilton Workers Fear Permanent Layoffs As Recall Rights Expiration Nears
- United Laundry Services to lay off over 800 workers
- Union: Hundreds of Hawaii airport workers to be laid off
- Under New Leadership, HART Purges Nearly Half Its Staff
If tourism is so bad for Hawai'i, why were they begging for money from haoles like Biden as soon as Covid cut off their tourism revenue? Could it be that ~20% of the state's entire GDP actually pays for some important things?
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source: mainlander with family in the islands who's sick of their constant monku monku monku about it
LoveArguingPolitics t1_jebxmpp wrote
Tourism as it exists today isn't the only way it could work. Pretending like i said no tourism ever then posting your unhinged rant when i said the current system doesn't work well is crazy.
You've gotta be a bot or a bad faith actor, you put this together super fast
You posted all that stuff about money troubles in Hawaii but that's all stuff that is happening under the current system. It's more a statement that tourism isn't bringing the financial relief it claims just like i said.
Because everything you posted about all happened under the current exploitative tourist system
SheriffComey t1_jebxnm8 wrote
That's just it, when it was a party town most spring breakers either brought their own liquor and didn't visit many establishments or they only bought the cheapest, bottom shelf shit.
Add to that they would regularly break the rules with hotels and pack as many people as possible to reduce the cost.
As a resident, Spring Break is so much better than it used to be.
Peakswashere t1_jebxs6e wrote
Yes absolutely. Hawaii is an awesome place. Just be respectful.
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GrowHI t1_jebyn9l wrote
Hawaiians don't beg people not to visit. Tourism is one of our top sources of income. While you may have seen a couple viral posts from people telling tourists not to come the majority of us realize it's necessary for our economy and well being. Without tourism we would be a poor state relying on the military spending as our main source of income. Our tourists generally are decently well off given the cost of a flight out here.
LoveArguingPolitics t1_jebz1qp wrote
Hey look I'm just saying how i feel, I'm not trying to tell you how to feel, if you like how tourism is you're definitely well within your rights to feel that way.
GrowHI t1_jebz9sq wrote
Doesn't matter how I feel. Your statement is based on a few viral posts and not the sentiment of the vast majority.
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BootyMcSqueak t1_jec241c wrote
Absolutely not! I know about reef safe sunscreen, we ALWAYS clean up after ourselves (and sometimes clean extra trash that isn’t ours), are always kind and respectful to everyone. I’m proud to teach my daughter about taking care of the earth and being respectful and polite. She even saw some trash that fell out of a trashcan on trash day and insisted that we go pick it up! I was a proud mama that day.
Vegan_Honk t1_jec2apd wrote
Good reference.
BootyMcSqueak t1_jec2c81 wrote
That’s so funny as I’m in the east Valley - we’re transplants from FL and only been here in AZ for 2 years. Haven’t had an experience with AZ tourists, but as a FL native, I am all too familiar with the breed of tourist you speak of.
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squirt619 t1_jec3oge wrote
I never heard that about Hawaiians, got a link for the curious?
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Topcity36 t1_jec5x6l wrote
That’s what a sheriff wouldsay!
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TheLit420 t1_jec7fwz wrote
That's what these businesses need to do.
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a_corsair t1_jec9131 wrote
Dude, go and eat, travel, and enjoy the beauty that is Hawaii. Just leave everything as you found it. They're wonderful people and the nature is gorgeous
a_corsair t1_jec92vp wrote
Dude, go and eat, travel, and enjoy the beauty that is Hawaii. Just leave everything as you found it. They're wonderful people and the nature is gorgeous
a_corsair t1_jec9910 wrote
Random reddit posts by randos. Go to Hawaii and talk to actual Hawaiians and see what they say
(They'll disagree)
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that_one_bunny t1_jec9vhc wrote
Not all colleges are off at the same time. You'd have to shut down for 2.5 months which I don't think a lot of businesses can swing.
https://www.studentcity.com/plan-a-trip/when-is-my-spring-break/
dripdripdrop2021 t1_jeca657 wrote
I mean we do the same shit and drink way more but a few tables might be broken
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MillyBDilly t1_jecerz4 wrote
Domino's pizza would put two refrigerator truck up to the store.
The stores made so much money, the manager bonus were 6 figures.
So I suspect they mind.
MillyBDilly t1_jeceu8a wrote
Not for places that sell cheap food, it isn't.
MillyBDilly t1_jecf1rb wrote
Switch to a spring break menu. Use your kitchen to make burgers and pizza for walk up and carry away.
Sell by the slice.
You would make a years profit.
Human_DumpsterFire t1_jecf7nr wrote
I live in Savannah, Georgia. We just got done with the St.Pats festivities which are akin to spring break in coastal Florida cities. It’s an absolute nightmare for the locals. Even worse for the restaurant industry workers who are regularly assaulted by drunks, left to deal with cleaning up EVERY kind of bodily fluid imaginable, and physically exhausted by the end of it. Schools close, most non-hospitality businesses close, roads blocked off, drunk people breaking everything in sight, puking everywhere, fighting; it’s horrible for those who are forced to live and work in it.
DenverITGuy t1_jech67v wrote
Yep. Miami Beach is a rip. Restaurants also tack on tip automatically so most have shit service, too. Throw in the rowdy crowds, shootings, fights, cops being called in, it’s a dump.
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BootyMcSqueak t1_jeci5vb wrote
Thank you! We are very conscious of our footprint when going places. Even when we’re kayaking, we pick up floating trash, never stack rocks, respect wild life, etc. And that’s also what I foster in my daughter. I went to Hawaii when I was 6 and remember it being a magical place (except for the Portuguese Man-o-War stings I got). I can’t wait to finally go back 40 years later.
8604 t1_jecirg8 wrote
Half of that is from the locals from what my friends in Savannah tell me..
SuicideNote t1_jecj64p wrote
Jesus sounds like British people on Ryanair vacations to Continental Europe.
Amsterdam literally launched a campaign to get them to not visit:
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JoshuaUNT t1_jecl6sa wrote
But I don't think anyone mentioned water though right?
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azacarp716 t1_jecnuwi wrote
Let's all stick up for a billion dollar pizza corp and the 1 manager important enough to get a bonus, cmon gang!
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qzdotiovp t1_jecrtd5 wrote
I like Phoenix, but it is extremely car-centric. I don't really see it as a tourist destination since I just go there to see family, but it's been like five years, so maybe things have changed.
What are the major attractions that bring tourists to Phoenix?
LoveArguingPolitics t1_jecs99w wrote
The seven months of amazing weather
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qzdotiovp t1_jecshye wrote
My wife and I honeymooned in Miami Beach, and the gratuity surcharge was kind of annoying. I always figured it was because of the Spring Breakers that it was like that.
Little Havana was my favorite part of that vacation. Mmmmm, ropa vieja...
Neokon t1_jecswtu wrote
When I went to Amsterdam a hot while back (like 2015) there were so many shit faced Brits roaming the streets. All daring each other to go to a brothel and dicking around front of the entry doors.
Went to one of the sex shows (because why not?) and there was a group who were all laughing their asses off, way more than they should have at the banana bit.
One then threw up on the floor and they all just left.
Chiggadup t1_ject4vq wrote
My wife and I had our first “away weekend” in Savannah when we were dating. We just celebrated a big anniversary so we decided to go back for a nice weekend.
Most of our plans included reservations at some nice restaurants, watching some basketball during the day, and generally just walking around the beautiful buildings.
Our anniversary is in mid March…..
We got out, saw the shamrocks and go, “oh these are up early, that’s kind of OH NOOOOOO!”
We lucking were there a week before it started, but even the week before was a total shit show at night. I feel for y’all.
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DJBunnies t1_jecv6jf wrote
Bro the joke flew so far over your head it's in orbit around mars.
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NoBrains-NoGains t1_jecwqvx wrote
>I don't really see it as a tourist destination
It's not.
NoBrains-NoGains t1_jecwus1 wrote
>Sysco
I will write off a restaurant completely if I see Sysco truck delivering there. I can get my own microwave meals.
NoBrains-NoGains t1_jecwy3r wrote
This is correct. Savannah is a very drink-y city.
NoBrains-NoGains t1_jecx1ht wrote
You should look up why it's a conservative county.
souwecera t1_jecya2d wrote
Native, 40 year Little Havana resident. Thanks for that!
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Miss_Speller t1_jeczb5g wrote
>This past weekend two people were shot and killed on Ocean Drive by gunshot, and another person was injured.
I'm not sure I entirely understand Florida - is there any other way to get shot and killed that somehow doesn't involve gunshots?
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savageotter t1_jed1fr2 wrote
Panama city is fighting back hard too.
Alcohol is banned on the beach for the entire month.
g_st_lt t1_jed1qap wrote
$385 per person restaurant
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TenderfootGungi t1_jed3g5l wrote
While they don't occur at the same time, most are over 2-3 weeks. Still, losing a month out of the year would put many business' out of business.
YouthInRevolt t1_jed4zks wrote
lol, this guy is really editing to include water use percentages instead of deleting his stupid comment after not getting the joke
YouthInRevolt t1_jed5aop wrote
the funny part is that you could easily get shot and killed from someone's bow down there
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Almost every restaurant uses Sysco because they sell restaurant supplies like cleaning products and other assorted restaurant supplies.
Human_DumpsterFire t1_jed9e6f wrote
By ‘locals’ I mean the people who live in the historic district who end up being super inconvenienced by the festivities every year. We’re just trying to go about our lives and everything gets totally upended for a week. Not being able to park on your own block, businesses being closed, having to leave for work an hour early to make sure you can get to your job two miles away on time, finding drunk strangers passed out naked on your porch, things being stolen or broken. The folks from the south side, the islands, richmond hill, garden city, and everywhere else around the city are the ones who really fuck shit up. Not to say the downtown crowd isn’t capable of the same debauchery but there aren’t that many of us compared to the thousands and thousands of people who come in from the surrounding areas.
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bryanisbored t1_jeda0j0 wrote
True but what if the country they’d stolen they had invested in and made them a leader in something and not just tourism that kinda fucks them and not let them develop.
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bryanisbored t1_jedaid4 wrote
What about all the native priced out? Did they at least finally take the gas out of the water or stop bombing spots the natives consider special or no?
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StanVillain t1_jedbf40 wrote
Majority influx is only 2 weeks but that is still a lot for small businesses.
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astanton1862 t1_jedef5p wrote
> having your city be treated like a drive through for out of towners to pleasure and comfort themselves
This sounds more like ASU
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Zeeformp t1_jedfr5h wrote
Sounds about right for a Michelin star sushi restaurant. Depending on the cut and kind of fish, it can get pretty expensive.
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thecrystalegg t1_jedfuq0 wrote
LOL, have you seen Hawaii? What sort of "development" do you reckon they missed out on? Hawaii has something around the 4th lowest poverty level among US states . Oh yeah, they got fucked all right .
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Petembo t1_jedtgfy wrote
Bruh no one here mentioned stupidity or water except you.
winterbird t1_jedwvnz wrote
I think they're distinguishing gun vs rifle.
Icy-Letter-3514 t1_jedxhod wrote
Can’t enjoy fine dining when college kids are drunk and raging in the streets
weedful_things t1_jee1yco wrote
That would fuck over all your servers. The good ones would find another job and then you would be screwed when you opened back up.
IslandDoggo t1_jee27y5 wrote
I like how you just casually dismiss the people who live on the islands beliefs while admitting you don't live there and also they're you're family ? Weird.
ChimpanzA_2_ChimpanZ t1_jee32hb wrote
Spring breakers now have Air BnB where they can pack people in with out worrying about being kicked out of a hotel room for breaking noise or occupancy limits.
ChimpanzA_2_ChimpanZ t1_jee3ezf wrote
Are Georgia Southern students considered local?
ChimpanzA_2_ChimpanZ t1_jee3qv8 wrote
Tell me you never worked in the food service industry without telling me you never worked in the food service industry.
ChimpanzA_2_ChimpanZ t1_jee49wu wrote
Because shit settles at the lowest point?
pebkacerrorspersist t1_jee4ddx wrote
"Our sole product offering as a state - being a vacation destination for all ages, and a place where misbehavior is a feature and not a bug - is killing us. How could anyone have seen this coming?"
EmperorHans t1_jee56q3 wrote
There is a 0% chance no one was killed by a crossbow in Florida in the last year.
klaaptrap t1_jee59ln wrote
350 per person is a functioning restaurant in some kind of black mirror/American psycho. Frigging Dorcias had to close for a week . What a shame. /s
djamp42 t1_jee5o7u wrote
Wow, I only went once for work that happened to be in the middle of spring break. Walked around the beach one afternoon and yeah it was people drinking and partying everywhere.
djamp42 t1_jee5snu wrote
Heck I associated that company with more of stuff like this, I didn't even know they made food.
floppydisk1995 t1_jee6jzi wrote
I was down there a few years ago and noticed many restaurants along Ocean Drive had a ton of fake 5 star reviews on Google. Luckily you just had to walk a couple blocks away from the beach for decent food. Puerto Sagua anyone?
stocks-mostly-lower t1_jee7jyg wrote
You’re a commie that hates landlords too, I’ll bet.
stocks-mostly-lower t1_jee7okv wrote
You’re a commie that hates landlords too, I’ll bet.
Corronchilejano t1_jee875s wrote
Nobody entirely understands Florida.
BSB8728 t1_jee8m0r wrote
Just like the scenes in the 1960 version of Where the Boys Are. Good movie.
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katsbro069 t1_jee9fdw wrote
Not south of Orlando, north...its a crap shoot.
thegroovemonkey t1_jee9lwy wrote
That's called not being able to handle your liquor
OMFGFlorida t1_jee9w8t wrote
St Pattys, Cinco de Mayo and NYE are amateur hour. I don't leave the house on those nights.
sloppymoves t1_jeeac53 wrote
Yeah. Be different if the workers were seeing that bonus cash inflow. But nah. Just a skeleton crew forced to do the work of 10-15 people and lousy pay while the manager is set to retire.
IamJacksUserID t1_jeeawwa wrote
I was walking past a bar in Amsterdam, and looking through the windows, all the dude’s (and it was mostly dudes) had their dicks out and were pogoing up and down. Pants around ankles.
Apparently the Brits won a big football match?
*I did not go in.
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10S_NE1 t1_jeecexl wrote
Fort Lauderdale has completely priced itself out of the spring break party market. Their hotels are full of people going on cruises and the hotels are priced accordingly. I went on a cruise in February, and the hotels were so expensive it was shocking - nearly $300 CAD for a Motel 6, if you can believe it. We paid close to $500 CAD for the Méridien. Any spring breaker who can afford that might as well party it up in the Caribbean.
TsuntsunRevolution t1_jeed45i wrote
Bow and arrow? Heavy artillery?
regular6drunk7 t1_jeedsjl wrote
What that site needs is a lot more ads. Maybe they could overlay an ad right over the text of the article.
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SafetyMan35 t1_jeef982 wrote
Hawaii was looking for tourists not to come largely because COVID was still a thing at the time and service workers were still locked in quarantine while dealing with active COVID cases.
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NoBrains-NoGains t1_jeegjnd wrote
Nope. Because the population is heavily Cuban (and other Central and South American nationalities) and they fear democracy courtesy of horrible past experiences.
888mainfestnow t1_jeegw0g wrote
Like defending tipping industry wide in the US when 80% of restaurants aren't high end.
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TheGunshipLollipop t1_jeeliaf wrote
If it's that simple let Puerto Rico know how, they'd be interested.
AboyNamedBort t1_jeepdwa wrote
If you are driving to a job two miles away then I don't feel bad for you. Check out these things called walking or biking.
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g_st_lt t1_jeetpgb wrote
Depending on the cut and kind of fish, I lack any concern for this guy's business.
LetMePushTheButton t1_jeevvw3 wrote
Is Fat Tuesdays still at Beach Place on Fort Lauderdale beach? That place was a must stop before laying on the beach all day. I would bet tall frozen alcoholic drinks didn’t help the rowdy spring breakers back in the day.
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Kevbearpig t1_jef4hem wrote
Tells everyone how all the people of Hawaii feel, then proceeds to say they didn't tell you how to feel. LMAO.
LoveArguingPolitics t1_jef5901 wrote
Not really, i don't care what they do at the University and any university worth it's salt should have out of state residents, especially in the research scientists stuff you wanna pull from all over the world
SingadoPhoenixx t1_jef92ym wrote
And a 2% resort fee tax on all restaurants too on top of everything.
justforthearticles20 t1_jefcsv5 wrote
Who will they blame next when their businesses still fail after the Spring Breakers are gone? Since it's Florida I expect it will be, Trans, Jews, Blacks, Immigrants, not necessarily in that order.
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kritycat t1_jefpmx5 wrote
Airbnb's typically prohibit. parties and hosts are obsessively vigilent about occupancy. They also have no problem calling the cops on their renters--Airbnb goes to the mat to defend hosts.
Emblazin t1_jeg4ep6 wrote
But I thought Florida was a tax free anti woke paradise?
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….Where did I say I drove?
sweetpeapickle t1_jegnx49 wrote
Lol, I don't know about FL, but here in WI it is one of the few food suppliers. And not talking about premade, but ingredients, paper products,utensils, etc. Where do you think food places get their supplies/items from? They just appear-magic.
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Most-Resident t1_jeh2yjw wrote
You made me remember a trip i got to go on work to madrid. I paid for staying through the weekend. The streets were full of bars hostels and young people on holiday. Didn’t see anything too wild but people were lit up. It was fun but I didn’t have to live there.
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