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Jeraimee t1_is8tj82 wrote

This is what happens when you put two of them near each other.

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[deleted] t1_is8ugmd wrote

Ted Cruz voted against stronger gun laws. Even the compromise.

Keep that in mind when he comes up for reelection in 2025

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pegothejerk t1_is8viz3 wrote

They shot each other’s kids accidentally because of idiotic road rage. People are so fucking stupid.

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ledepression t1_is8w2nu wrote

When an unstoppable force meets an immovable object

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PuraVida3 t1_is8wnzv wrote

Florida, whatever you do, get the fuck out!

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C0333 t1_is8yb18 wrote

Those mug shots really are the icing on the cake.

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MoonRakerWindow t1_is8z8ua wrote

Replying to pegothejerk (#99,592)

Clearly, the legislature needs to respond by loosening gun laws. Obviously an armed society is a polite society. Cooler winds would have prevailed in this situation if the kids as well as the adults were armed.

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astanton1862 t1_is90678 wrote

Ok Florida Man you win. I was just joking with all the Texas Man stuff. You absolutely have the craziest dumbest criminals in America. Please don't shoot anymore kids.

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FriesWithThat t1_is906k2 wrote

Replying to Young-and-Fermenting (#99,782)

Yeah, one would only have had to go back to June to have an example of both Florida Senators (Scott/Rubio) voting against sensible gun legislation.

>The U.S. Senate late last night, by a 65-33 vote, approved a bipartisan gun measure — the most significant gun-related legislation in nearly 30 years — over the objections of Florida’s two Republican senators.

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[deleted] t1_is91afv wrote

Replying to _Silver_Engineer_ (#99,853)

2 men get pissed and open up on each other wounding the other's child.

How is that an argument for 2A?

Edit: If both were responsible gun owners this would not have happened.

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corpse_flour t1_is91sln wrote

The fact that they continued to fight instead of rendering aid to their injured kids shows that they cared more about their fight than the lives of their offspring. I can't imagine how self-absorbed one would have to be to think like that.

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Ynwe t1_is92omc wrote

Pick up trucks, guns, completely unnecessary violence, kids shot - As American as it gets..

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TheDenseCumTwat t1_is93ot8 wrote

Road rage incidents are far too frequent nowadays. Idk FL handgun laws, but in Texas, where constitutional carrying has allowed anyone to carry without license or training its basically emboldened a lot of people who shouldn’t carry.

It’s almost every day though I see something in the news whether in Texas, or elsewhere about a shooting via road rage. I’ve experienced it myself, had my weapon ready as I dialed 911. I’ve got my CHL and regularly carry, so it was a moment I never wanted to experience. Thankfully I didn’t have to use it, but it’s scary. People need to calm tf down.

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TheFudge t1_is94hws wrote

How shitty of a parent do you have to be after knowing your child has been shot, rather than immediately high tail it to the hospital, you pull over, get out of your fucking car and get in a fist fight with the other shot for brains.

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bland_jalapeno t1_is95gx6 wrote

Thankfully, no one was shot except two stupid children. Those dumb asses should have been armed. How is a five year old not packin’ heat. That’s bad parenting. /s

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another_bug t1_is96tg5 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#99,864)

I don't think they were saying that. I think they were pointing out that, from the Florida mans' point of view, the 2A is more important. And they're not wrong.

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earhere t1_is9ctxe wrote

Americans dont deserve guns

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Burnbrook t1_is9djx1 wrote

Couldn't symbolize modern society much more aptly. The kids always pay the price.

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lvlint67 t1_is9dk3x wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#99,864)

You don't understand. These were two "responsible" and "law abiding" gun owners according to 2a advocates.

It just so happens that they were both emotionally unstable and found themselves in a tense situation with easy and ready access to a fire arm...

But these are the innocent law abiding citizens that may have been inconvenienced by gun reform...

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lvlint67 t1_is9dvds wrote

Replying to Ynwe (#99,909)

I suppose we can wait for the investigation, but I'd bet money it was the dude in the Dodge thinking he owns the road that kicked things off.

Stupid of the Nissan driver to not de-escalate.. but we've all seen people in pickups do dumb ass shit.

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JBupp t1_is9rc66 wrote

>“What is scarier than one crazy driver with a gun,” Leeper said while holding up the booking photos of the two men, “Two crazy drivers with a gun. There could have been two dead kids because of two stupid grown men,” he added.

So man one attempts to deescalate the situation by firing a gun at man two ...

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KenTheAlbino t1_is9rggf wrote

Replying to frankie109 (#99,813)

If you are convicted of shooting someone in Florida- the mandatory minimum is 25 years. And Florida doesn’t have parole.

BUT- because of the way Florida’s self defense statutes are written- there is a very good chance one or even both of them will be acquitted.

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Street-Badger t1_is9s7u2 wrote

Just give these guys their guns back and let them sort it out in a walk-in freezer.

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Logistocrate t1_is9w8fw wrote

Replying to KenTheAlbino (#100,910)

First shooter may have fucked himself though, arrest affidavit states he "was just trying to get out of the situation" and thought he had shot a tire, or the rear of the other vehicle after a water bottle was thrown at him. Those aren't the actions/statements of someone in immediate fear for their life.

Second driver has a better chance even though he returned fire at a vehicle that was fleeing the scene. Im hoping that since two kids were shot a jury will find these fucks guilty, but sadly, given what l said to open, with it being Florida you are probably correct and they could both skate to do this shit again some day.

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KenTheAlbino t1_is9wqyx wrote

Replying to Logistocrate (#101,186)

Here is the wild thing- driver one doesn’t need to be in fear for his life in this situation; it is justifiable in Florida to use deadly force against someone who is committing a forcible felony against you. By the letter of the law- throwing an object from a moving vehicle could- and most likely would be considered a forcible felony.

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fsr1967 t1_is9x0i4 wrote

If only the kids themselves had had guns, they could have defended themselves from their own parents' criminal idiocy /s

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Logistocrate t1_is9x5x5 wrote

Replying to KenTheAlbino (#101,222)

Holy shit...I had heard it was somewhat loose down there, but that's just fucking nuts! I wonder how many incidents like this don't make the news because no kids got hit? Not that I had any intention of visiting Florida, but now l know to avoid at all costs.

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Logistocrate t1_is9y4lc wrote

Replying to KenTheAlbino (#101,272)

Damn dude... yeah, you'd definitely be a SME in that area, if you think odds are they skate, then l'm entirely inclined to accept that.

Stay safe man. And thanks for doing what you do.

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yofanity t1_is9yaf5 wrote

I honestly don’t feel like the guy that shot back should be charged, going from brake checking or throwing a water bottle to shooting into someone else’s car warrants a response i feel

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Odd_Bag_289 t1_isa02tz wrote

I'm just glad they had firearms and protected their rights by shooting each other's daughters. Those daughters were probably super dangerous and those guns saved many lives that day.

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Vector75 t1_isa0rwg wrote

I just… I don’t understand. I can’t even imagine what would be going through your head to escalate to gunfire like this with your own kids in the car.

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COmarmot t1_isa1pjx wrote

Both have shot kids at this point and neither drives to a hospital but rather to continue to go at it, until police pull them over. And then they start to fight each other! r/getofftheboat

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Snowdeo720 t1_isa356r wrote

The way the title is written, I was expecting two douche bags in one car shot kids in another… but no.

It was two douche bags in separate cars, that ended up shooting each others kids!

What the flying fuck.

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TreyBouchet t1_isa4g79 wrote

A Dodge Ram was involved? Shocking…

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KenTheAlbino t1_isa4nef wrote

Replying to DarkWasp14 (#101,509)

It is outrageous but I understand why the law is written the way it is in a vacuum; when thrown from a moving vehicle- anything rigid could potentially cause serious injury or death. You get smoked by a full water bottle in the head from a car doing 60 mph? You most likely are going to be severely injured. It when applied to this case it does seem absurd- but that is how the law around “throwing a deadly missile” is written.

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egospiers t1_isa4wq6 wrote

2 father of the year candidates right there. The title should have been “Florida Man tries to out Florida Florida Man”

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egospiers t1_isa5ag4 wrote

Replying to corpse_flour (#99,880)

Shit is crazy after the first guys 4 year old! Was shot he didn’t drive to the hospital, he didn’t call 911… no he continued down the road and emptied his glock into the other guys car. There needs to be some child endangerment charges added as least.

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rittenalready t1_isa5fow wrote

It’s Florida so I imagine the case going like this “well y’all shot at each other which is perfectly legal under Flordia law- you both stood your ground and the castle doctrine applies to all moving vehicles or property. Now here’s where we are going to have to get serious- you both shot each others kids. Now I know boys will be boys so I’m willing to bet you both learned a valuable lesson. I see that under Florida law these two children are technically property until 18 so I will go ahead and say this cancels each other out because you both got one of your kids shot. Now I want you both to do 500 of gun range hours so next time your aim is better and you can protect your property with less children shot.”

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EvolvedCactus19 t1_isa5men wrote

And all either of you had to do was take and exit to get away from that aggression then get back on US 1. I live in Jacksonville and there are PLENTY of side roads, detours and exits that lead right back to the highway. This was really fuckin stupid.

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GrimmRadiance t1_isa73op wrote

Road rage is nonsense and you’re a piece of shit if you do it, allow it, encourage it. I will actively report any instance of this to the police if I see it. Fuck anyone who participates in it.

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melissamyth t1_isa9qdu wrote

Replying to TheFudge (#99,988)

The stupidity started before that with them break checking each other while their own kids were in their own respective vehicles. Road rage is already stupid, and they proved they didn’t care about their kids safety long before guns were involved.

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dare978devil t1_isaagyb wrote

More guns! The only solution is more guns!!

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bluehealer8 t1_isaei72 wrote

An ArMeD SoCiEtY iS a PoLiTe SoCiEty HURK HURK

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yofanity t1_isahto0 wrote

Replying to DeepRoot (#102,201)

I agree with that, but throwing a water bottle shouldn’t result in you getting shot at. And when you get shot at, I don’t think you should go to prison for defending your own life.

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dissolutewastrel t1_isak8in wrote

A lot of people talk shit about USAmerica but you don't get this kind of excitement in Indonesia

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DeepRoot t1_isani5v wrote

Replying to yofanity (#102,215)

Yes, that is true; however, there is a thing called de-escalation and neither person attempted to do that with their own children in the car at the time. It's one thing to be a hot head by yourself, but these hot heads got their own daughters shot. He threw a water bottle, escalating the situation like a chair in a riot, so responding by shooting back after he was the offender does not make him right.

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What_its_full_of t1_isanrv8 wrote

They both had kids in the car, and decided a rolling gunfight was the best plan.

After both kids get shot, they don’t seek help, but start a fist fight.

I hope both wives swiftly divorce them and allow limited supervised contact if any henceforth.

Shit for brains.

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Neither-Idea-9286 t1_isaprrh wrote

So much for “good guys with guns” . This kind of violence happens WAY more often than gun owners saving the day!

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Julen_23 t1_isas0ds wrote

FL doing FL things AGAIN . . .

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lvlint67 t1_isatkak wrote

Replying to Opposite_of_a_Cynic (#102,667)

That's the problem with having a gun handy in a confrontation. When you reach for it, either it's checkmate! and you kill/injure an unarmed person.. or you find yourself in the middle of a shoot out.

It's so easy to go, "well my gun makes me 3 feet taller and scary!"

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Opposite_of_a_Cynic t1_isawdjx wrote

Replying to lvlint67 (#102,722)

> It's so easy to go, "well my gun makes me 3 feet taller and scary!"

This is so on the bullseye. I know several people who carry daily and ever single one thinks when the bullets start flying they will be John Wick and everyone else the generic henchmen. Meanwhile actual evidence shows the most effective strategy when encountering someone with a gun is to run the fuck away. Pulling out your own gun dramatically lowers your chance of survival.

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Odd_Bag_289 t1_isaxqks wrote

Replying to YoLoDrScientist (#101,701)

Finally some words of wisdom. People How long are we going to be forced to live in a world where our children, our innocent soft minded youth cannot arm themselves for protection from other soft minded youths with guns. We need to make firearms more accessible to America's youth for protection. Common sense

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bloodflart t1_isay2ae wrote

fuck are we fucking doing in this fucking country

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The_Legend_of_Xeno t1_isb1sk2 wrote

I don't even honk at someone when my kids are in the car with me. It's just not worth it. If I have my kids with me and encounter an idiot on the road, I normally just slow down to get them as far away from us as possible.

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Mentalpatient87 t1_isb1u3k wrote

Just polite society things. Don't guns just make things so polite?

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pacwess t1_isb2h9x wrote

>Both vehicles were speeding and brake-checking each other, he added.

Sounds like cause and effect. Morons!

>Both men have paid bail and been released from jail, the sheriff’s office said.

Brilliant!

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campbrs t1_isb7vi8 wrote

How does stand your ground come into play here? Not support either shooter, just curious.

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TheNewGirl_ t1_isb815f wrote

Just American stuff

its their culture

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dillsimmons t1_isb8vtq wrote

Should you really be allowed out on bail for an attempted murder charge? I would argue public safety is at risk..

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AKMarine t1_isb9ss0 wrote

Which one was the good guy with a gun? 🤦‍♂️

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AKMarine t1_isba4yu wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#99,818)

Trump only got 52% of the vote, and then he even baselessly accused TX of voter fraud.

Since then the TX Legislature passes a few laws to make it more difficult for minorities and liberals to vote.

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ct-18 t1_isbb2hi wrote

That's why I do not make eye contact with anyone on the road now a days. This country has gone to hell. More good guys with guns injuring innocent people. How f ed in the head do you have to be to play road rage games with children in the cars. Those poor kids have very little chance of growing up in a decent environment.

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sonoma4life t1_isbbkko wrote

same reason i dread expanding carry in Los Angeles. road rage shootings would be common.

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fishythepete t1_isbgc7m wrote

Replying to thisismynewacct (#101,837)

>I mean they were, until they weren’t, which is too often the case.

This isn’t the case at all. The data here is a little stale, but the vast majority of firearm charges brought are unlawful possession charges - I.e. for the prosecuted individual possession itself is unlawful, so the charged individual is not (and likely never was) a lawful owner. Adding in possession of stolen firearms and illegal transfer of firearms is almost the entirety of firearm crime prosecutions.

Law abiding gun owners are overwhelmingly just that.

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Zoshchenko t1_isbw5l3 wrote

Should definitely take their kids away and then lock them in the same jail cell. Whoever comes out alive goes on trial for attempted murder and sent to prison for many, many years.

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Darkalice1 t1_isbz7xx wrote

Replying to KenTheAlbino (#101,222)

It looks like the act of throwing the water bottle could be charged as a second-degree felony in Florida. The term for this act is Throwing a deadly Missile. Florida statute (Sect. 790.19)

Edit oh I see lower down you already commented this. I just wanted to point it out like a fun fact cause I love that the law calls it a missile

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TrexInaF14 t1_isciqlj wrote

Jesus fucking Christ- both of these dudes had their kids in the car and both thought it was a good idea to get into a gun fight instead of just slowing the fuck down - what the ever living fuck

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here-to-argue t1_iskoobb wrote

If the children also had guns, none of this would have ever happened.

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