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cremaster_shake t1_itv8aop wrote

No one could have predicted this! Except honest people!

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rikki-tikki-deadly t1_itv9gul wrote

One of the worst things about summer in LA this year was knowing that it will probably have been the coolest summer for the rest of my life.

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taez555 t1_itvdtw6 wrote

Where's the Simpsons movie meme? Highest level, "so far!"

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noodles_the_strong t1_itveeny wrote

Awesome, just awesome. lets wait till we get dead pockets of air settling over populations and killing them, then maybe..... we can talk about it.

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lexilous t1_itvf3mp wrote

Meanwhile, as expected, we're failing to take the drastic action that would be necessary to actually meet emissions goals. It is now inevitable (barring some miraculous scientific discovery) that the future will be several degrees warmer, with more intense precipitation and drought. I do atmospheric science research, and looking at the high-end RCP8.5 and SSP5-8.5 scenarios is...disturbing.

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TirayShell t1_itvgoin wrote

Well, let's start growing stuff. Like in a greenhouse.

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cybercuzco t1_itvgvnl wrote

This is going to keep happening until we get our collective emissions of CO2 below a billion tons per year. Thats how much earths natural processes sequester. Currently we are at about 45 billion tons per year of emissions, and the 45 billion number is still increasing at an accerating rate. So think of it like were in a car, and we're going 45 MPH and your foot is actively moving to push the gas pedal down more except theres no floor to hit and your leg can keep pushing it further forever. The first step is going to be stopping pushing down further on the gas pedal. That gets us to a constant acceleration of emissions, then we need to stop pushing on the gas pedal altogether, then our car is only careening towards the cliff at a constant speed. Then we need to move our foot over and start pushing on the brakes. Were probably close to "stopping actively moving the gas pedal further down" and 10 years away from "leaving our foot on the gas where it is" and maybe 50-100 years away from "taking our foot off the gas entirely" and probably another hundred years from "pushing on the brakes"

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kyckling666 t1_itvjsbq wrote

Has anyone tried not focusing on this and being more upbeat? That's what I've been instructed to do while addressing this problem. Haven't tried it yet. Want to know if there have been positive changes after testing this method.

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2WheelMotoHead t1_itvmxmj wrote

Here in ‘Mericuh I’m awaiting the sounds & smells of autumn. 300 million leaf blowers running at the same time, and the continual shitty smell of burning leaves.

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LowDownSkankyDude t1_itvnbe2 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#240,064)

This feels like well articulated bullshit. Also co2 isn't the only culprit, and while interesting, this just feels like looking for a reason to justify not helping.

Besides, I'm pretty sure things have gained enough momentum that I don't think anything beyond flat out pulling the plug on fossil fuel and dramatically dialing back industrial farming, will buy us any time.

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lexilous t1_itvp8cw wrote

Replying to rainforestguru (#240,537)

I'm not an expert on that, but huge climate migration is expected by mid-century already - I've seen estimates of anywhere from ~150 million to ~1 billion. In general, the frequency of extremes will be increasing gradually but consistently. These changes would typically include more intense and/or frequent extreme precipitation and heat waves; and even if overall precipitation totals stay the same or increase, it being delivered in these very intense extreme events with less light and moderate rain in between will increase the likelihood of drought. Rapid intensification of hurricanes/typhoons has increased as well, and will likely continue to do so in the future. So that would be an influence in many tropical and subtropical regions. I would worry about the greatest danger for short-term catastrophic changes being in regions that already experience extreme drought, fire, life-threatening heat, or monsoons, all of which stand to be intensified by climate change. Anyway, as for a specific time frame - I don't have an answer beyond...it's already becoming a problem, and will only get worse over the next few decades.

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Harabeck t1_itvqsu0 wrote

Replying to litefoot (#240,429)

Peterson is not worth anyone's time.

His first point there is that because projections get less accurate the further you go into the future, we can't do anything. That's insane. Not only is he ignoring the past warming that we can directly measure, but it just doesn't follow. We can solve problems even if predictions about that problem aren't perfectly certain out into the infinite future.

Then he lies about Germany's emissions, failing to mention their withdrawal from nuclear power and blaming it on green energy.

And so on. His points are all complete nonsense, but he sounds confident while saying them.

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Cactusfan86 t1_itvqytr wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#241,451)

Modern terran life is society, pre-societal humans without access to any advanced technology lived and thrived in every environment on this planet including straight up deserts.

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InsuranceToTheRescue t1_itvsaob wrote

Replying to lexilous (#241,401)

To add to this, we will see sea level rise over the next century that will force the majority of the globe's population to go somewhere else or invest in expensive infrastructure projects like massive sea walls. The mass migrations will strain, and in some places break, food supply chains. There is likely going to be massive social upheaval to accompany all of this.

On one somewhat bright note, we have likely avoided a hothouse Earth, where a feedback loop begins and the planet becomes too warm to support human life. This also assumes that our estimates for methane in polar regions is somewhat accurate.

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lol_treez t1_itvuush wrote

…aaaaand queue another Covid variant, pair that with the world almost being in a nuclear war…

Man…2022 is fun!

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beanTech t1_itvvbjf wrote

Nothing will change unless people start mass protesting.

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artcook32945 t1_itvz6pc wrote

Does any one, of adult mind and body, really think that World Governments will ever actually work together in time to put the brakes on Climate Change?

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-FeistyRabbitSauce- t1_itw00qg wrote

Replying to rikki-tikki-deadly (#239,456)

Summer of 2021 in BC Canada we had the heatdome. It broke numerous records. Forest fires everywhere. One town, Lyton, reached 50°C before something sparked a fire and the town was pretty much wiped off the map.

Summer of 2022, we had the hottest, driest summer on average ever recorded. Temperatures didn't sky rocket like in 2021, but trey stayed up longer than usual. We only had our first real rainfall the other day. It was warm through until mid October. Like, shorts weather. Normally once September rolls around it rains pretty consistently.

And that doesn't even touch on the smog/smoke we keep dealing with or the floods that wiped out our highways.

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lexilous t1_itw1ims wrote

Replying to SuperSimpleSam (#242,912)

Oh good! Hopefully if this continues and accelerates we’ll at least be able to avoid the worst-case scenario of constant/increasing fossil fuel use throughout the 21st century

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I_likeIceSheets t1_itw391e wrote

Replying to rainforestguru (#240,537)

I'm (slightly) more in the realm of climate (paleoclimate and glaciers are more my thing). There's no specific time. It's more of a spectrum of fcked than a threshold of fcked ... if that makes sense. While there are physical thresholds in the climate system, like with ice sheets and the biosphere, how we're impacted isn't concrete.

Here's what I tell people: the longer we delay action, the worse the climate crisis will get. It means two things that are very important to understand:

  1. The climate crisis will get worse if actions are not taken. Life will increasingly become more uncomfortable and certain weather events will become more dangerous/deadly. It won't be the end of the world or life as we know it, but it will be fucked.

  2. We can always prevent the worst from happening. By taking action now or later, we can make the climate crisis less fcked in the future. Though some things might not be reversed, we can still make a things better relative to what they could be.

One more thing: everywhere is a climate sensitive area. Be prepared.

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WirelessBCupSupport t1_itw5y5z wrote

Major factors are: ongoing conflicts, deforestation, forest fires, overpopulation (India and China BIGGEST culprits...stop reproducing!), pollution from refineries, manufacturing, shipbreaking, and mother nature herself - volcanism and methane.

All but the last two can be reigned in. But profits over planet...

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LowDownSkankyDude t1_itw6399 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#243,114)

I'm not saying this guy doesn't know his field. I'm in full support of sharing digestible science to broaden the understanding of how fucked we are and why. I'm just wary anytime someone presents one aspect of a multifaceted scenario.

This guy's presentation, and how you shared it, came off, to me, like co2 will go away so don't worry about it. I'm sure I misinterpreted it, but I'm also sure I'm not the only one, which makes this ,without an eli5 of the science, more misinformation than anything else. imo

You may not be intentionally pushing an agenda, but unfortunately agendas are pushed by the stuff we share whether we mean to or not.

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jennanm t1_itw6w3j wrote

Replying to lexilous (#240,155)

Yeah, as someone working on a Conservation Ecology degree and going into fieldwork with all manner of critters, the effects of the unavoidable climate change we're staring down on ecosystems worldwide will be horrific. Any plants or animals that are not suited to the rising temperatures (often species that are already threatened in one way or another) will have a much harder time in the wild. Think of images of the polar bears on melting bits of ice in the Arctic, reports of escaped pet snakes gorging on every alligator egg they can find in the Everglades, the breaking news concerning the Alaskan snow crab population completely collapsing in the last two years alone.

Our native wildlife can't compete against everything humans are throwing at them, and the crabs are just the start. I can assure you there will be many more from where that came from, all over the world, because we as a species are hellbent on destroying this entire planet so severely we'll have to fuck off to Mars in the end or something.

I went into this degree because I want to help save the most critical and vulnerable pieces of our ecosystems, to keep us and everything else out there in the wild healthy and happy. At least I know now I'll have no shortage of demand for what I do.

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lexilous t1_itw9xf2 wrote

Replying to I_likeIceSheets (#243,222)

Seconding this! It's not "in the year 2050, all the shit will hit the fan." It's "everywhere will be getting a little more extreme every decade, on average." There are various extreme thresholds (too hot or cold, wet or dry) beyond which human life cannot thrive. The point of "fcked" in a given region would occur when the conditions move beyond that threshold. This is why regions where humans already live close to that climatological threshold - deserts, vulnerable coastlines, dangerous monsoon regions - will be some of the first to go.

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krustykrab2193 t1_itwed6i wrote

Replying to -FeistyRabbitSauce- (#242,823)

Just to add a bit more - after the historic heat dome in 2021 we had historic flooding a couple of months later that washed out all the highways and flooded several cities/towns cutting Vancouver and the Lower Mainland off from the rest of the country.

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solreaper t1_itwemea wrote

Replying to Gb_packers973 (#244,559)

It’s says we haven’t done enough to introduce alternatives to oil and there’s a country destabilizing the world because they have a weak ego. The worse thing we can do is bring in another thin skinned childish GOP idiot to grind our world further into the ground.

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Vallkyrie t1_itwg76e wrote

Replying to lexilous (#241,401)

> and even if overall precipitation totals stay the same or increase, it being delivered in these very intense extreme events with less light and moderate rain in between will increase the likelihood of drought.

I can already see it now, the propagandists are going to twist this data to their audiences as "Look, there's no more or less rain than before! Checkmate!" and those of us who understand the issue are going to need a 3rd hand to facepalm.

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shirk-work t1_itwuo1q wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#243,219)

It wasn't fossil fuels, it was people who were betting they would die rich before facing the consequences. Companies pivot all of the time. If energy companies wanted to transition and get ahead of everything they had more than enough capital and time to do so. They chose not to because fuck it that's someone else's problem.

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NenPame t1_itwx1zp wrote

Replying to redherringaid (#246,464)

We need results oriented protesting. Like sieging down coal plants with thousands of people. Glue yourself to Joe Manchins driveway and play music all night until he resigns. There are ways to do this

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AnyProgressIsGood t1_itwzoxp wrote

it wont be till millions die that people will be motivated

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CritaCorn t1_itx0kjg wrote

This sub joined Trump years ago and trolled a little girl trying to raise awareness to this issue….

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spiralingtides t1_itx9xcq wrote

Replying to GatsoFatso (#242,334)

> Many of the illnesses and deaths were initially attributed to asthma.

Everyone, remember this if nothing else. Just like they say everyone with legitimate reasons to despair is depressed, so too will they blame any problems caused by the world on the people suffering them. World sucks? That's depression. Can't breathe? That's asthma. Can't afford rent? Should have got a better job. Etc, etc.

When the health crises's come, don't believe them when they say it's caused by something to do with the individual.

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spanman112 t1_itxbkg0 wrote

Alright! High Score! what does that mean? does that mean we broke it?

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Withallduerespect- t1_itxmwul wrote

But what does this have to do with Kanye losing his Adidas deal!!???!!!

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Just_wanna_talk t1_itxohqd wrote

Are there any gases that produce the opposite effect and provide cooling to the atmosphere?

If there are maybe we should change gears, we are a lot better at polluting the atmosphere than we are at cleaning it up.

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Zakluor t1_itxveww wrote

Replying to SnooCupcakes299 (#240,768)

In Moncton, NB, thirty years ago, winters were cold. -30°C was a norm through January-February. The last four years, we didn't get below -20°C.

I grew up in Halifax, NS. As kids, we made snow forts all the time. 20 years later, snow made up little of the winter: freezing rain was more frequent than snow.

Moncton, further north, is now seeing that change. We see more freezing rain and less snow than ever. Notable for a region that was once known as the "snow belt".

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focusedhocuspocus t1_ity1xrt wrote

We’re all going to have to live underground or something like naked mole rats. 😭

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Hecate100 t1_ityyvcy wrote

I fear we're at the point now where the Earth has to take drastic steps to save itself from humanity.

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EET_Learner t1_itze59d wrote

So that's why it's hard to breath lately

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cam94509 t1_iu112zr wrote

A methane production runaway effect driven by warming and not directly by industrial production?

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Whelp, gonna tell my grandkids about the concept of snow, and probably about the concept of the sky.

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Dr-P-Ossoff t1_iu1d9w8 wrote

Replying to noodles_the_strong (#240,070)

That was a victorian era sci fi, smog layer trapped over city, people collapsing, train stuffed with unconscious people roaring ahead with no driver. People have been warning about this for at least 125 years.

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