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cousin_basil t1_iudmylp wrote

You can't call it a false flag if the Islamists claimed credit. What dumb shits, because I can't see where attacking Iran in the middle of these protests do except give excuses to the mullahs to tighten the clamps more.

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Sea_Count2020 t1_iudn5y3 wrote

The unrest must make the regime seem vulnerable right now

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WexfordHo t1_iudu4wa wrote

This, and ISIS needs ongoing conflict to justify its existence, and keep their criminal profits flowing. It’s not like ISIS gives a rat’s ass about the Iranian people, and it’s not like their enmity with Shi’ites would go away with the Iranian regime.

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ChallyII t1_iuetki0 wrote

> ISIS gives a rat’s ass about the Iranian people

Especially women's rights and equality.

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WexfordHo t1_iuetp22 wrote

Well they care, but not in the way you or I would hope, that’s for sure!

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isiscarry t1_iuekb45 wrote

This happens a lot in Iran its just not covered in western media as much.

For example the US used the general they droned a few years back as an intelligence expert wrt AQ back in the 00’s because he was considered a global expert on combatting them.

A lot of Americans are so poorly informed due to our poor media that they do not even understand that Iran is AQ/ISIS’s #1 enemy let alone WHY….

It was hilarious during the height of ISIS to watch WaPo print endless articles about “the biggest victims with ISIS are other muslims!” without any further extrapolation. The best was all the articles about “Iranian backed militias” without any further comment as to why Iranian volunteers were so willing to go fight ISIS in the first place…

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ucd_pete t1_iufnhd8 wrote

> For example the US used the general they droned a few years back as an intelligence expert wrt AQ back in the 00’s because he was considered a global expert on combatting them.

And that same general was instrumental in defeating ISIS. Once ISIS was gone, the US didn't want Iran-Iraq relations to get too close so they clipped him.

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Zozorrr t1_iuhposn wrote

He was also instrumental in murdering thousands of Iranian (and Iraqi) citizens. It’s no coincidence that the current protests have gone much further than previous ones where Soleimani still ran the murderous IRGC

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ucd_pete t1_iuhrryj wrote

> He was also instrumental in murdering thousands of Iranian (and Iraqi) citizens.

Yeah but that's not why he was assassinated

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hawkwings t1_iugeiww wrote

When Obama ran for reelection, he bragged about killing Osama bin Laden. Trump wanted to do the same thing when he ran for reelection, so he killed somebody. I don't think that he cared that much one way or the other about General Soleimani. Both Israel and Saudi Arabia may have been OK with him killing a Shiite.

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Teantis t1_iuhbmld wrote

Israel and SA were way more than ok with Soleimani being killed and not because he was just a shiite. he was one of the most critical Iranian leaders in terms of organizing their actions beyond Iran's borders and Iran is both Israel and SA's number one regional rival. He was widely cited before his death as Iran's architect of its regional power

SA and Israel considered assassinating him way before the US did: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/11/world/middleeast/saudi-iran-assassinations-mohammed-bin-salman.html

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mcs_987654321 t1_iuf82ww wrote

Oh, no doubt.

Some of that is just down to people having limited bandwidth - I follow intl news relatively closely, from a wide range of sources, and know that I’m still only getting a tiny fraction of the most important news events of a given day/week.

The other bit is that there are a bunch of regions in the world where outsiders barely have a fighting chance at understanding the nuances and undercurrents at play, especially if we don’t speak the native language (and is a super bummer for Iran, bc Farsi is just so pretty) - Iran is definitely one of those places. You can know the about the shia/Sunni divide, the centuries of colonial fuckery in the region (driven by all kinds of shifting geopolitical reasons), the contributing factors behind the rise of IS/AQ/Daesh/whatever…and still barely scrape the surface in terms of being able to understand some of the motivations behind current events.

That said: yeah, most media sucks and a good chunk of people are so stunningly uncurious that they wouldn’t even be able to find Iran on a map.

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HildemarTendler t1_iueegae wrote

I'm sure many in and around the Iranian government see the writing on the wall. This is either the hardliners trying to force hardline policies, or it really is IS trying to push this revolution in their direction.

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mcs_987654321 t1_iuf5gzx wrote

Yup - I’m not anywhere near knowledgeable enough to understand the factional nuances at play here, but chaos invites more chaos.

The women opened up a crack in the Supreme Leader + mullah’s control, and now you have loads of groups jockeying to hasten the regime’s demise and grab power. Super unclear if any of this will “work”, or how it’ll play out…dangerous times indeed.

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skyfishgoo t1_iufsxbb wrote

one thing is clear, it will not be good for women in iran either way it goes.

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WhynotstartnoW t1_iug9e8e wrote

>This is either the hardliners trying to force hardline policies, or it really is IS trying to push this revolution in their direction.

i don't see why the hardliners would need this to force their policies. IS is regularly bombing or shooting up Iranian military and government/political sites already prior to this current uprising.

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justMeTee t1_iuexmp6 wrote

Now they can go into anti-terrorism military mode and use it to shut down the protests.

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adlabco t1_iuhzlzs wrote

How hard is it for “Islamists to claim credit” tho

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Groomsi t1_iugebx9 wrote

They have done it before! They said the time for protest ended couple of days ago.

Must be the police or special force that did this.

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ilyak_reddit t1_iuesram wrote

Source plz

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cousin_basil t1_iuef46m wrote

Why did the Sunni Islamists claim credit then?

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AllBluringIntoOne t1_iuh1933 wrote

Why not? If i attack a mosque right now and say i did it for isis of course they'll take the credit they love so much

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madali0 t1_iufhdl6 wrote

Typical twitter bs. According to the regime change twitter guys, Iran did a false flag terrorist action on their own shrine and made sure to tell some kids on some random telegram channel to make a simple condolences poster beforehand?

Like how many people were told of this conspiracy for even the Photoshop kids to be told of it before hand? And for what exactly? I saw the poster, designing it takes more than 10 mins to make. Where they so desperate to save 10 minutes that they'd risk their whole operation?

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AllBluringIntoOne t1_iuh0gte wrote

It was posted 3 minutes before the timestamp on the cctv but if you're ignoring that, fine. Ignore the dead man checking his watch and the "30th of rabi al awwal" too

But an attack on shahcheragh, collapse of the rest of metropol, and a deadly factory explosion all on the 40th of mahsa seems normal to you? A guy with a huge gun just walks in a place where they search you harder than an airport? Inconsistencies between every announcement? How come they had complete footage, the names of the victims and the attackers got arrested after only a few minutes when they never do that for other disasters? If all of that doesn't seem suspicious to you then you're sucking too much mullah dick

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madali0 t1_iuh13r4 wrote

>It was posted 3 minutes before the timestamp on the cctv but if you're ignoring that, fine.

Bs, you guys just believe whatever you read. No one in the world has ever engaged in a false flag (specially one as risky as this, which would collapse the state since they are supposedly attacking the people on their side) and made sure to involve poster designers in their super secret plan. I really don't understand why you guys don't have critical thinking abilities.

>But an attack on shahcheragh, collapse of the rest of metropol, and a deadly factory explosion all on the 40th of mahsa seems normal to you?

Things happen every day and everyday can be framed as important. If it happened on Saturday, you'd claim it was because of Cyrus Day.

And terrorists attack to create instability, that's basically their whole objective.

>A guy with a huge gun just walks in a place where they search you harder than an airport?

It's not harder than an airport first of all, like at all, not even close. Second of all, you can see in the video that they killed the security. Third of all, you don't think there has been terrorist attacks in an airport in other countries? How about the 911 attacks, how did that happen? Finally, how about our own country. There has been terrorist attacks in much more secure places. Don't you remember a few years ago where they attacked a military parade. You think a military parade has less security forces than a religious shrine with a bored security guard that is seeing hundreds of people walking in everyday for years??

THINK.

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