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AzulMage2020 t1_ivvarkn wrote

Are UK social programs any good? These times folks need all the help they can get. Maybe those still in the work force would be willing to pay a small tax for temporary emergency social services???

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ConfidentWin3397 t1_ivvbbmc wrote

They used to be, slowly chipped away through austerity. They even got rid of disability.

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sithelephant t1_ivvn9ir wrote

Err, no they didn't. Currently on both ESA (not migrated to UC) and PIP top rates.

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ConfidentWin3397 t1_ivvnnbp wrote

That’s. nothing compared to what my dad used to have. DLA was a fantastic.

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sithelephant t1_ivvq39p wrote

DLA was replaced by PIP. Rates are more or less comparable.

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ConfidentWin3397 t1_ivvq6x9 wrote

No they aren’t at all don’t lie.

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sithelephant t1_ivvsb5j wrote

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1036433/benefit-and-pension-rates-2022-2023.pdf

2022 rates for DLA highest rates, £92.40+64.50

2022 rates for PIP highest rates £92.40 + 64.50.

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ConfidentWin3397 t1_ivw3s9s wrote

DLA didn’t exist in 2022

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sithelephant t1_ivwcc6v wrote

Observe the above table. It did not exist for new claimants. The number of existing claimants is not yet zero.

The rates for DLA have never been significantly higher than PIP since the creation of PIP as a benefit. I have been following this, as I have been on DLA since before the introduction of PIP, migrating some three years after PIP came into existance.

If your father was getting significantly more than PIP, on DLA, either he was found to be not meeting the criteria for PIP, or he was getting some additional benefit, possibly help with health care costs.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/dwp-benefits-statistics-august-2022/dwp-benefits-statistics-august-2022 - showing there were 1.2M claimants remaining in 2022.

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colossalboom t1_ivvg0lm wrote

Nobody wants to pay more taxes.

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InncnceDstryr t1_ivvua0p wrote

I don’t have a problem paying a high rate of tax.

What I have a problem with is a corrupt, morally bankrupt government wasting it in every way they can find that doesn’t actually benefit the population.

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adam2696 t1_ivwrepc wrote

So in other words you have issue with paying a high tax. There aren't many government programs where they get it right. It doesn't matter which government.

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InncnceDstryr t1_ivxgy4n wrote

No.

I have issues with a government that exploits a global crisis to spend billions on filling their friends pockets instead of fulfilling an emergent life saving need.

I have issues with governments that manufactures the biggest political divorce since the fall of the USSR, with the sole intention of making already rich people much richer.

I have issues with a government that, in an energy supply crisis which is directly creating untenable cost of living increases for the majority of the working class, chooses not to change regulations that allow unnecessary profiteering, chooses not to put money directly in the pockets of the struggling public, rather provides a bailout in the tens of billions for the global energy giants that are already generating record profits on a promise that those don’t further increase already record high prices.

I have a problem with corruption. Competence has a ceiling, especially in the context of a democracy. Governments can make mistakes, missteps and when they do, absolutely should be fairly criticised.

The UK is currently on 5 out of the last 6 Prime Ministers initially gaining power by an internal party vote. Yes 2 of those 5 went on to win General Elections but that’s still periods of years we’re talking about where the government that was elected is not the government that’s in power - 2 of those governments are since the most corrupt government in modern UK history was elected and fell apart.

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