chadan1008 t1_j2dshav wrote
>a sentence of two to five years in prison for anyone who assists in an abortion
Isn’t it interesting how abortion can simultaneously be murder but also only be punished with 2-5 years in prison? If it’s murder it would clearly fit the definition of first degree murder, which would typically be a life sentence.
It’s almost like even pro-life people know it isn’t murder
bettinafairchild t1_j2e3y4h wrote
We tried they argument. As well as other arguments over the years to help them to see that abortion can be necessary, like to save the mother’s life or rape or a 10 year old, etc. in EVERY case, that resulted in them becoming more extreme, not less, and now there are those pressing for abortion to be punished by the death penalty.
CatFanFanOfCats t1_j2e58x1 wrote
Yep. There is no reasoning with them. We must show up at the polls and vote for only those politicians in a political party that supports reproductive rights/body autonomy. This means voting strictly for Democrats, as the Republican Party wants to not only control reproductive rights but also wants control of body autonomy.
DuneTinkerson t1_j2f4eyu wrote
I've tried talking to people that say they support abortion "when it makes sense" like with rape cases and ectopic pregnancies, but they still seem to be OK with those things because they support anti-abortion bills at large. They want abortion to be illegal but with some exceptions, that simply isn't possible in today's climate, it's all or nothing, no nuance. I feel that even if I personally was pro-life I would much rather be on the side that provides options.
I've heard people say that they need to force the 10 year old rape victim to have a baby because the "baby was innocent". They say extremely cruel shit and think they are morally superior.
mydaycake t1_j2e9uip wrote
Losts of prolife would want life sentence for doctors, nurses and the women. It’s not the case yet but some states will try
DrummingOnAutopilot t1_j2euqfg wrote
I mean, Authoritarianism 101 includes the educated, especially doctors and nurses, being labeled a threat to the regime.
It's literally in their playbook lol
Plus they are all religious nuts, so just for that they can piss off IMO
howardslowcum t1_j2ez8yl wrote
Isn't this concidered the primary reason Stalin died? He had a stroke and a couple hours later Beria was called in to check on him, as the guards knew better than to disturb Stalin but also knew something was wrong. When Beria arrived Stalin was still alive but because Stalin had gone on a paranoid tirade and had most of the doctors in Moscow arrested and killed/sent to the gulag there were no doctors (or anyone willing to admit to being a doctor) left in the city.
DrummingOnAutopilot t1_j2f474y wrote
That wasn't quite what I learned, plus the circumstances of his death aren't exactly concrete (lots of theories floating around, holes in stories, etc). It's possible that was part of it, as I do remember the part about the guards being under orders/deciding not to disturb him. And the part about Russian leaders always treating doctors like shit (an understatement).
howardslowcum t1_j2f4jm3 wrote
Yeah, I have heard several stories as well, same with Lenin and Hitler.
annoying97 t1_j2ecquu wrote
Well I mean that's one way of population control... Not a good way but a way.
mydaycake t1_j2ed6v8 wrote
They would find a way to make those women pregnant, I am still waiting for them to propose laws to implement frozen embryos to women in jail or something similar as pregnancy consent is not needed in their views
annoying97 t1_j2edbm7 wrote
Good point.
Mimehunter t1_j2efup8 wrote
Unchecked, that's where it will end up
Easy_Bite6858 t1_j2eyhsc wrote
Not a conservative, but I went into their subreddit during the recent state elections. A lot of the posts were acknowledging losses due to the anti-abortion rhetoric and many of them disagreed with it. It's easy to forget that many types of right voters end up under the same umbrella with policies that they don't necessarily agree with. In many cases they are just "along for the ride".
MidLifeHalfHouse t1_j2f5yrj wrote
I don’t know many pro-life conservatives unfortunately. One I know is proud that he “made [his] girlfriend have an abortion.”
So much for “freedom” over your own body. Until they square this blatant hypocrisy most liberals won’t even be able to respect them. The irony is that there are many fiscally conservative liberals who would probably vote with them if not for this glaring bullshit and misogyny. Lots of it internalized misogyny by GOP women.
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raver6 t1_j2es9ce wrote
No, we do, we just don't define sentencing guidelines.
By that same logic people who kill fetuses are charged with homicide. "iT's AlMoSt LiKe pRo-ChOiCe pEoPlE kNoW iT's MuRdEr!"
Okay, y'all can go ahead and downvote while I read the comments and munch on popcorn. 😎 🍿.
chadan1008 t1_j2f09kk wrote
You're claiming pro-life people aren't defining sentencing guidelines under an article where pro-life people are literally defining sentencing guidelines... And even if that were true, it doesn't change the fact that sentencing guidelines have already been defined for first degree murder, but it is pro-life people who think they shouldn't apply...
Are you saying you want all doctors who have ever performed abortions, along with all women who have received them, to be given life sentences? Who else, how many others need to be punished for this imaginary crime?
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MidLifeHalfHouse t1_j2f4pcn wrote
We know you do. (Despite the OP’s comment, there have been bills like that in TX.)
That’s why it’s so ironic when you do want to apply the death penalty to woman to prove that “life” is precious. Lol. Only one type of life is valued by the “pro-life” movement.
Many pro-choice people can admit that a fetus is a life, but we don’t expect anyone to grow it inside of them if unwanted no more than we expect you to be a living kidney donor or even donate blood to save a life that will die without it.
Americans have zero freedom if we can’t even have agency over our own bodies. I will never understand how “the party of freedom” let religious zealots control their thoughts in this matter. This hypocrisy is why so many can’t even respect the GOP although they respect others they disagree with.
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