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immalittlepiggy t1_j0xo2wg wrote
This isn’t about sex, it’s about marriage. Asking to be allowed to be married isn’t “imposing their preferences on the majority”.
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Or we could just treat everyone equally
coldroot t1_j0xolqr wrote
Well, depends from which angle you're looking at it.
page_one t1_j0xoo5t wrote
Who forced you into a same-sex marriage?
IRatherChangeMyName t1_j0xotem wrote
What are they imposing? Are they for forbidding straight couples to get married?
immalittlepiggy t1_j0xoxik wrote
If your angle is being a gigantic cunt, sure. Anyone with any level of human decency would see otherwise.
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krustykrab2193 t1_j0xp2yc wrote
Your comment history is a big yikes from me dawg
Baka_Penguin t1_j0xpbt6 wrote
You seem to have a thing for clapping butt cheeks. Doth one protest too much?
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Sunapr1 t1_j0xsm96 wrote
You know the supreme court is one of the liberal courts out there and this petition is before the SC, not sure why you bought government into the argument. Plus because of coalition government ruling party dosent require a majority of votes. Modi won the prime minister role by garnering 34 percent of electoral votes
darthveda t1_j0xt2zl wrote
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we had colonial law which deemed same sex relations as criminal, it got decriminalized in the last few years. Does that give you a hint?
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Okay, I’m not really sure what that means but clearly you aren’t worth having a discussion with.
UrsusRomanus t1_j0xuume wrote
Neither of those are federal.
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sriie t1_j0xvvx2 wrote
Draconian stances on sexuality? We are talking about India not Indiana. 🙄
thunder_struck85 t1_j0xwps6 wrote
If you're openly gay in India, you're gonna have a bad time.
posterofshit t1_j0xxqae wrote
It's by the BJP government though and that's what OP mentioned
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dj184 t1_j0xygl9 wrote
How dare you!
dj184 t1_j0xyhtv wrote
Can you quote what PMs stance is?
stonedkrypto t1_j0xytjb wrote
I’m no longer in India but still follow news. SC acts pretty independently from the govt. There have been cases when they have been at odds and most of the time govt has to comply. If I recall correctly the case to decriminalise homosexuality was referred by SC to be taken up by in legislation instead as court felt it didn’t have a legal right to change that law( which they did). It’s not clear atm what legal arguments are to be made in case of same sex marriage but pretty confident SC will work towards it than oppose it.
Edit: as corrected by /u/throwreddit666 the Parliament never struck down the law but SC itself later revisited to term it unconstitutional.
stonedkrypto t1_j0xzayg wrote
Socially and culturally yes. But legalisation is the foot in the right direction. They will no longer be openly harassed by the legal system. I mean isn’t it same in US to some degree, especially if you’re in a conservative circle?
surya2727 t1_j0y1h4v wrote
Have you lived in India? If not then please don't make any baseless assumptions about any place you have no idea about.
mtarascio t1_j0y1rw3 wrote
Registers are usually not for good.
mtarascio t1_j0y1vhf wrote
What do the violence figures suggest?
That's usually the best method of understanding where the populance is at.
disneylegend t1_j0y2kzy wrote
Same-sex marriage is illegal in India?!
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AtomicSymphonic_2nd t1_j0y3f0i wrote
I agree with you, honestly. I don’t foresee much future for non-Hindu/Buddhist Indian minorities in the nation of India.
Even the youth are happy with the BJP, at least as of 2019 pre-COVID.
I could have sworn I’ve read something a couple years ago pre-COVID about a lot of Indian Muslims uprooting themselves and seeking asylum in Bangladesh and Pakistan. Regretfully, I don’t have the link to that article… nor do I remember what it was titled.
It’s even more depressing to see so many Indians collectively say “good riddances” to these fellow countrymen in their faces.
It’s like one step forward and two steps back with humanity. Perhaps some of us here in the West were raised with a worldview that is a bit too idealistic.
EDIT: I’m dead wrong! My apologies everyone!
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Time-Opportunity-436 t1_j0y6ndc wrote
Nope.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_Persons_(Protection_of_Rights)_Act,_2019
This act was passed in both houses, which have a BJP majority. American Right and Indian 'Right' wing are not the same, don't get confused.
Article 377 was legalised by supreme court in 2017, and courts are bigger than govt in India.
Time-Opportunity-436 t1_j0y6tss wrote
How is Indian Muslims even relevant to the current discussion of same-sex marriages? By the way, marriages of Indian Muslims are governed by Muslim Personal Laws, which prohibit homosexuality. So even if India legalises same sex marriages, they won't be able to do so for Muslims.
Time-Opportunity-436 t1_j0y6yt1 wrote
It's not illegal per se. You cannot be jailed for that. In fact, you could be, because of a British colonial law that criminalised it, which was scrapped by India a few years later.
It's just that it was not recognised, but now Supreme Court has directed the govt to do so.
Irritatedtrack t1_j0y9ivk wrote
I would love a source on that? Minorities have the highest birth rate in india compared to the majority Hindu population. Muslims have their own law separate from Common Law (whether it is homo sexuality, transgender rights etc.). Not sure where you are from or how much knowledge you have about india, what you said is definitely not true.
Irritatedtrack t1_j0y9vk4 wrote
The US just codified the Marriages act. LGBTQ+ people have the worst time in almost half the US. Forget LGBT, there is a war on abortion and women’s rights in the US. There are bans on teaching evolution and history in certain states in the US.
This is not to say India is better or the US is. If you dig deep enough, you will find fossilized shit everywhere. Thankfully, laws in india are still fairly progressive.
And just like the US, Tier 1 cities like Mumbai, Delhi, Bangalore, Chennai all have a significant gay population that are accepted and live normal lives. So stop spreading stereotypes.
Irritatedtrack t1_j0ya002 wrote
100%. Kamasutra was created by aliens and by mistake, they lost them in India /s
Irritatedtrack t1_j0ya59u wrote
It’s exactly like the US. Thankfully the Biden Admin codified the Marriages act protecting Same Sex marriage. In India, it’s not illegal, but not recognized under common law marriage.
darthveda t1_j0ygii8 wrote
there hasn't been a shooting incident if that is what you are asking for.
My Honest Opinion about this, if an adult person wants to be in a relationship with another adult person, regardless of gender, it's their wish. It should not be illegal to do so. However, what I am not for is asking for a special status and for them to be treated specially. I think the ruling govt. is not sure of how this should proceed ahead and treading carefully giving mix signals.
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Envenger t1_j0yjlmu wrote
Bjp has been been liberal than the congress goverment we had. Even though I don't like cult of personality leaders, in India left and right mean different compared to usa. Congress was equally crazy about media censorship, and other rights issues compared to Bjp.
Ring_Lo_Finger t1_j0yr8kx wrote
US right and Indian right are not the same. BJP which holds the majority in the both the houses passed the transgender act and is fighting for UCC.
BJP is the liberal and progressive government rather than a communal Congress.
DiMpLe_dolL003 t1_j0ytib8 wrote
You can get married with the same sex but it won't be recognised by government as in you won't get the spousal rights etc.
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invertedmaverick t1_j0z0838 wrote
15 years ago I had to make international phone calls in Internet cafes in Europe, and the booths were behind a line of computers. You could see the screens of everyone using those public computers, and I swear every time it was all Indian/Pakistani dudes watching hardcore gay porn.
Glad to hear that they are making progress towards legalizing gay marriage. It needs to happen.
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FrodoCraggins t1_j0zb29w wrote
The same people against Modi and the BJP are the same people fighting against legalizing gay marriages.
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NazgulDiedUnfairly t1_j0zi473 wrote
Although I agree that the Modi government is not exactly the most tolerant, the conservative ideals are not the same as conservative ideals that exist in the USA and the West.
They do share some ideas like nationalism, religious intolerance against religions like Islam(but generally accept other religions like Sikhism). But they differ in terms of other ideas. Like abortion is legal and not under attack some 1971 I believe(please correct me if I am wrong here). Article 377, which targeted homosexual sexual activities was also declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.
BJP government has taken steps for women empowerment, although they regressed in terms of secularism. So there is still hope that this will pass. Fingers crossed
Izanaminomikoto19 t1_j0zi6xm wrote
It’s actually the other way round with Bangladeshi population coming into India for work.. prove your stats btw with the asylum request you just posted.
NazgulDiedUnfairly t1_j0zibfq wrote
Fully echo similar sentiments here.
Izanaminomikoto19 t1_j0zidh7 wrote
Homosexuality was practised in ancient times, give your head some rest before spouting nonsense!
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yourmomlurks t1_j0zwkkw wrote
Same in the united states depending where you are. Are you aware India is 3x the size of the US? It is a very diverse place.
throwreddit666 t1_j0zx0p6 wrote
Please refer to Sushil Modi's speech in Parliament day before yesterday.
Please note the lack of any stand taken by the Union govt in the petitions seeking decriminalization of homsexuality. This was both the Congress and the BJP govts.
throwreddit666 t1_j0zxcr5 wrote
>Article 377 was legalised by supreme court in 2017, and courts are bigger than govt in India.
Good fucking lord. Almost nothing in that sentence is correct and shows how little you know about what you are talking about.
Also, transgender rights is a separate issue to gay/lesbian marriage. Don't conflate issues. Transgenders have a unique position in Indian society for religious reasons. That does not mean gays and lesbians are not mistreated and discriminated against.
throwreddit666 t1_j0zyk03 wrote
The current Chief Justice is pretty liberal and will probably relish writing a judgment according recognition to same sex marriage. But the problem is that the petition is flawed, imo. It is seeking recognition of same sex marriage under the Special Marriage Act. The Special Marriage Act is the legislation which governs marriages in India which are not performed as per Hindu or Muslim rituals. Both those religions have their own legislation regulating Hindu and Muslim marriages.
The Special Marriage Act which is for anyone who does not want to get married as per Hindu or Muslim rituals is a pretty fucked up legislation because it has a requirement of a notice period of 30 days for objections from the general public to 2 people who want to get married. So the names, addresses, and photographs of the 2 people getting married are literally posted on a notice board outside the local govt office and anyone can go and lodge objections if they have any.
We are already seeing this procedure cause problems in inter faith marriages where a Hindu and a Muslim get married or a Hindu and a Christian get married. There are weirdos who keep an eye on these notice boards and once they see an jnter faith marriage, they start harassing the 2 parties and their family members. I think it's going to be much the same with same sex marriages. So that's not going to be very good.
Hopefully the Supreme Court decides to also declare the requirement for this public notice to be unconstitutional and do away with that requirement.
throwreddit666 t1_j0zywss wrote
>the case to decriminalise homosexuality was referred by SC to be taken up by in legislation instead as court felt it didn’t have a legal right to change that law(which they did).
This is completely incorrect. That particular provision which criminalises sodomy was read down by the supreme court to not include consensual sex between consenting adults of any gender. The decriminalisation of homosexuality was not brought about by any legislation.
throwreddit666 t1_j0zz55h wrote
If you are openly in an inter faith relationship in India you are in trouble. Fuck that, for most people, if you are openly in any relationship, you are in trouble. Same sex relationships are out of the question. Step out of your bubble.
throwreddit666 t1_j0zzas5 wrote
Who is asking for special status? Getting married is special status?
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stonedkrypto t1_j1032w2 wrote
Thank you for the correction. It was the initial opinion of the SC “The Court held that amending or repealing section 377 should be a matter left to Parliament, not the judiciary.” But later revisited and termed section 377 unconstitutional.
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onioning t1_j108yu7 wrote
India is more complicated than that. The current nationalism they're experiencing is a historical anomaly. For most of the area's history they've been a hotbed of diversity and even celebrated their diversity. Overall the region is one of the world's shining examples of people of different beliefs and ways of life working together for mutual cooperation. Of course the British threw a giant monkey wrench into the whole thing by splitting the region into religious regions, and that has for sure caused a lot of conflict, but even then the conflict was more about nationalism than religion. It's the last couple decades where we've seen nationalism rise up, and even explicitly Hindu nationalism.
Point being there's still a strong foundation of valuing diversity and inclusion. For sure they're under fire from the modern political movement, but that foundation doesn't just disappear overnight.
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thunder_struck85 t1_j10q6ja wrote
3x the population. Not 3x the size.
yourmomlurks t1_j10slt2 wrote
So you’re saying diversity is a function of geographic size and not population size. I see.
thunder_struck85 t1_j10u0hw wrote
It's both.
GayIconOfIndia t1_j10yhm8 wrote
Not they! The progress is in India (slowly but steadily). In Pakistan, you will probably be killed for being gay openly. It’s unfortunate
GayIconOfIndia t1_j10ylrg wrote
The government in UP is more right wing than Modi’s federal government tho
GayIconOfIndia t1_j10zjzl wrote
It’s not illegal. It’s unrecognised. So, I can go to a temple and get married or organise a marriage ceremony outside and get married. However, it won’t have legal recognition.
Mogg-The-Twin t1_j117oxi wrote
He can't because he knows he'll be the laughing stock if he says " So and so Islamic scholar said so."
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darthveda t1_j120hbs wrote
There are many wokes who demand those stuff, if they aren't treated well then they cry discrimination
throwreddit666 t1_j122enm wrote
He specific. Who has asked for a special status that you are so worried about?
Mahameghabahana t1_j12drlk wrote
Yeah sure congress would've legalise homosexual marriages right? Why didn't they did that? Do you know how socially conservatives their target voters are If you ignore metro kids.
Mahameghabahana t1_j12e1oj wrote
UP government or CM Yogi is far more conservative or right wing then modi. If you think modi as right wing then he would be far right. Yes but he do show emotion and get made fun of, our right wing guys cry more but get made fun of by left wing guys. But yeah there are more progressives in left wing but the problem is their largest target audiences aren't progressive.
Mahameghabahana t1_j12e8oj wrote
That's how parliamentary system work bozo. That 34% is far more then any other political parties.
Mahameghabahana t1_j12ei59 wrote
Sorry mate but thays untrue.
Mahameghabahana t1_j12emvt wrote
Unlike india there aren't any meternity leave in USA. India do need paternity leave like european countries though.
Mahameghabahana t1_j12erjy wrote
What's special status according to you?
Irritatedtrack t1_j12hphy wrote
Not true. Again it is state dependent. In California, there is maternity and paternity leave. It’s not black and white everywhere.
Mahameghabahana t1_j12mre0 wrote
In india it's federal so when i say USA i meant as a country. USA like india is a federal country not confederation of states.
Sunapr1 t1_j13nhq8 wrote
I agree but its not like a popular vote majority
witchkingofriviaa t1_j173ebq wrote
Left is a joke in India. If someone is a leftie you already know that person is going to be a pajeet.
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SsiSsiSsiSsi t1_j0xmedi wrote
Good luck with that, India isn’t exactly becoming more tolerant or accepting these days, quite the opposite. It’s a shame, but as long as Modi and the BJP are running the show, it’s a trend that will continue. Given how popular both the PM and party are, I’d assume that’s just what India is going for overall.