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Is there a coherent explanation for why AP African American History "significantly lacks educational value" but AP European History does not?

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Coherent explanations? None. Bigoted and overtly racist explanations? Lots.

Based on what? There is no context from the article on what the curriculum that was proposed lacked or included.

I responded to a question. Take my post in context with the question I responded to.

*Checks notes "Because."

There's AP courses for Chinese Language and Culture, Environmental Sciences and Music Theory. Which, through the Florida lens, seem woke-adjacent. However, those aren't part of the pilot program that the AP African American Studies is in. My only guess (and I'm playing Devil's Advocate here) is that they can hide under the "pilot program" aspect of the course that the others aren't part of.

>the Florida Department of Education’s Office of Articulation said the course is “inexplicably contrary to Florida law and significantly lacks educational value.”

AP African American studies is against the law in Florida?

I would put money down that this is about them trying to claim that this is CRT, when it isn't, which everybody with half a brain warned was going to happen when they passed that law last year

There really isn't - I mean context is a real thing and it matters. They want to rewrite history. It's very weird to me. I'm white and I'm disgusted by what this country did. So what - it WAS disgusting. I will never understand the inability to state something so obvious.

That’s very white supremacist if you Ron.

And then they will wonder why it will be harder for Florida students to get into competitive college slots and claim bias.

Can't have students learning about the historical atrocities the country committed against non-whites; lest they realize that maybe the United States isn't the bastion of freedom and liberty after all, but rooted in white supremacist ideals and the furtherance of wealthy capital owners at the expense of just about everyone else.

> The rejection of an Advanced Placement African American Studies course follows efforts by DeSantis to overhaul Florida’s educational curriculum to limit teaching about critical race theory. In 2021, the state enacted a law that banned teaching the concept, which explores the history of systemic racism in the United States and its continued impacts.

"Don't teach about what we're doing."

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It's literally against the law in Florida to teach anything that makes whites look bad.. or might cause whites discomfort.

You responded and I asked a question based on your response, take my post in context.

"NO U"

Oh, goody.

I answered if there was a coherent explanation for why studying african american history lacks significant educational value next to studying european history. They both have high educational value. Damn near every possible historical study subject has significant educational value, and someone would have to be biased to claim otherwise.

You immediately demanded I explain my answer to that question, which was general about the educational value of the 2 subjects, as if it were made about the specific choices of the government of florida, which I was not addressing in my reply.

Now that you've made me explain something that should have been overtly evident, again, I responded to a question. Take my post in context with the question I responded to.

If you want to argue with someone about the motives florida has, argue in response to a post that maybe is talking about the motives florida has.

There's no real context in the letter to the college board from the FL Department of Education.

https://twitter.com/AveriHarper/status/1616082999220793345?t=nooCWXFY6wZTO9xaWB57bQ&s=19

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Almost exactly a year ago too. In case anyone thinks you're exaggerating:

>ALLEN: The Florida Legislature is now considering a bill proposed by the governor that would prohibit educational lessons or training that cause people to feel, quote, "discomfort, guilt or anguish on account of their race." It doesn't name white people, but DeSantis says it will make sure no race is scapegoated in lessons or training influenced by critical race theory.

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Lets tell you why, Racism NEXT!

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Every time DeSantis says woke he means an ethnic slur that starts with n.

Can't wait for the Don't Say African American History Law.

He thinks being a racist bigot will win him the white house the same way it did Trump.

These guys don't do coherent. They yell.

so a card carry racist turd is a card carry racist turd

Ya, they are running the same playbook and their core voter base is dying off.

Because it's the perfect red meat for the people he expects will elect him president in 2024. It is Schrodinger's bigot: it's racist to the white supremacists, it's anti-woke to the MAGA people, and it's pwning the libs for all Republicans.

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>He thinks being a racist bigot will win him the white house the same way it did Trump.

Have you seen recent pictures of him? He's getting more and more orange. That can't be a mistake.

Has any state ever rejected an AP course before? Or is this breaking new ground?

Based on the law that he is using to raise this objection that he proposed a year ago that literally outlaws anything that makes white kids feel bad (It's worded as race neutral but since teaching traditional US history could make any minority feel like shit it's obvious that it's not aimed at minorities, it's aimed square at protecting white peoples' feelings)

I don't think he's running. The stink of Florida won't come off of him anytime soon, plus he'd have to face off against Trump who would probably say that he has a flat ass or something equally childish.

and what about after it was abolished?

Basically this: https://youtu.be/6n3cGVhyKOw?t=8s

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Republicans hate black people? Say it ain't so. /s

I did not receive a full Black History lesson until I paid for the class in college. The information in High School is surface level, at best.

Weaponized education, got it.

Wait until he cancels European history because it has the French Revolution in it.

Can this be contested in a court of law? Can a judge issue an injuction stopping the implementation of the same?

Also he should kiss his 2024 ambitions bye.

Coherent, DeSantis… 😂

Republican Party = white supremacy

I'm betting you didn't learn of the full scope of slavery or it's lingering affects on the United States and the people who suffered under it. Especially if you went to school in the south where they still talk about how slave owners looked after and educated their slaves and other nonsense

That's how education works.

Never believe a conservative when they say they want smaller government. They just want less restrictions stopping them from dishing out their disgusting cruelty on others.

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So focused on the political theater you can milk over one lousy AP class, when you should be doing substantive things to deal with this.

https://www.wfla.com/news/education/education-affordability-put-florida-among-worst-places-to-raise-families-report-says/

But that’s the hard stuff, isn’t it Ron? Tackling real issues in education and quality of life.. not what self-promoting poseurs do..

DeSantis is pure evil and so are the people who vote for him.

> it's racist to the white supremacists, it's anti-woke to the MAGA people,

you just typed out the same thing twice

Right, that's what I was saying, it wasn't taught so this is a non-issue.

You joke, but in some cases that is quite literally true. For example Reverse Freedom Rides. rather than Migrants, back during civil rights era, anti-black orgs in the south would buss black families up North as a political stunt to have the North “death” with them if they were so anti-segregation.

Can’t Imagine why DeSantis wouldn’t want people to know that….

Can’t imagine why DeSantis wouldn’t want people learning about the Reverse Freedom rides

He doesn’t even really try to hide his prejudice and biases. He uses the power of his office not to do what is right, not to do what benefits the various segments of our population, not to further the cause of justice, but rather to further his own agenda of discriminatory hatred.

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You know if I wasn’t sure I’d swear Ronny boy simply dislikes black people...and I’m not sure

To the surprise of nobody.

Was in FL a few weeks ago and heard a speech by DeSantis that was basically fascist bingo lol

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Political pundits after reading this: “Hm, how can I blame this on economic anxiety?”

Time to ban American history, seeing It pretty much shits on Native Americans, Hispanics, just about everyone.

Friendly reminder that Chris Rufo, the activist that coined the conservative conceptualization of 'CRT', workrd for a creationist think tank who's main goal is the end of secular and public education. It's a hedge bet that conservative populism is more about racism than religion.

What is the opposite of anti-woke? Pro-slept?

With the "hard r".

But muh statez rights

Yes the put the GRRRR into it.

It probably will people are awful.

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Oooh someone thinks he'll get to be president if he panders enough to MAGA 🤮 gross.

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Was it ap? This is a deeper look, and generally accepted at colleges for credit, if you do well enough.

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> It's literally against the law in Florida to teach anything that makes whites look bad.. or might cause whites discomfort.

Honestly it's worse than that. DeSantis and the GOP are trying to erase history itself, and teach history more interconnected with conservative, christian values (ie. Jesus was a white Republican). It's how they intend to win the culture war - brainwashing.

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I’d love for Samuel Jackson to interview him and say that to him.

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> Jesus was a white Republican

gonna be pretty funny when they get to Heaven and learn actual Jesus was a brown socialist

... assuming they get to Heaven, haha

Took people way too long to start accepting this. The religion angle was pushed hard by the media (for clarity I realize religion is a big factor) despite white supremacy being the common denominator.

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I've come to the conclusion that conservatives are afraid of their own shadow..........

Because they're black.

Yikes.

Just absolutely mind boggling what a complete piece of shit this fool is...

Made from the same state who imprisons, and sentences to consecutive life terms, any public official who says the phrase ‘climate change.’

How can something be inexplicably contrary to law? You’d have to be able to explain why it’s against the law, the opposite of inexplicable.

Because the colonists and Weimar Germans never attacked American police officers for courageously defending themselves against a Black thug like Eric Garner. Unlike the ‘woke’ and violent Black Lives Matter. Obvs!

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Since when did Florida become Orania?

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Like Satan isn’t rubbing his hands together to reveal that fact to them in hell.

Yes. Yes, they are.

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Yes, I'm saying the AP classes are much more extensive than what you took in high school. They have them in all sorts of subjects, which makes the FL thing a glaring mistake.

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I’m embarrassed to say I didn’t even know about the 1921 Tulsa race massacre until HBO addressed it in Watchmen.

You shouldn’t feel embarrassed. That’s the American educational system working as intended.

Why do people still live in Florida? Gross

Next thing you know DeSantis is going to ban history courses on WWII because it might make Nazis look bad.

They aren’t smart or clever enough to be evil, just pure low IQ trailer trash.

Not evil. Traits like stubbornness, immaturity, weakness, pride, spite, are not necessarily evil..just unpleasant.

I think you meant half a brain *cell

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Betcha they meant “indisputably” or “inextricably” - not that the first is true or the matter makes much more sense. But maybe like when people say “guttural” when they mean “visceral” because it has the word “gut” in it.

Much Articulate, so Education

And his scumbag supporters love it

Rosewood suffered a similar fate but fewer deaths, as the community was more spread out and easier to escape from. The post WWI period was the low point of white/black relations post-Civil War.

Sundowner towns and Black Codes made things so much worse.

There was one state that did something like that. Required “all perspectives” be presented equally for issues like WWII and the Civil War

Florida had its own version, just one century ago this month, the Rosewood Massacre. It wasn't taught in K-12. The now Tampa Bay Times did a great investigative series within the past few decades.

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They would if they could. Labor news from modern France is kept quiet here, too. The Baldwin movie set shooting received equal time on even public radio.

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If they allow the children to learn this stuff they’ll eventually figure out that DeSantis and the rest of the GOP are in fact doing the very things they’re learning about. Which will result in a another generation of people that won’t vote for them.

They can’t have that.

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Banning learning about the history of one specific race probably makes the people of that race feel discomfort, guilt and/or anguish.

Also, why should white people feel bad about black history? There were plenty of white abolitionists and people who did things to help black Americans.

Same. Florida education system.

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America never abolished slavery.

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The people voting for it know which side their ancestors were on.

If I were a teacher in Florida, I bet DeSatan would approve Italian-American studies!

He only has 11 days left to ban Black History month in Florida.

I wouldn’t be surprised.

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And let's not forget ongoing attacks including Ax Handle Saturday in Jacksonville.

Ax Handle Saturday - Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ax_Handle_Saturday

I guarantee you it’s on their minds. That’s or the narrative of “America is freedom. Disregard all of those inconvenient parts that contradict that.”

buT LiberALs wAnt tO cAnCel hiStorY

What if I'm just tired..

Your post is the first time I have ever heard of this particular incident in the series of sit-in protests. Erased struggles are easily discounted in the current political discussions about the impacts on generational health and wealth.

Florida history at middle and high school covered ad nauseum Henry Flagler as the builder of the railroads, but nothing about the convict leasing or the prosecution of his agents for conspiracy to hold workmen in peonage and slavery, or how his newspaper swayed the case.

Hell for them is just an endless Quinceañera for a gay couple's girl.

I would love to see him argue that the work of WEB Dubois doesn't have educational value. The guy was one of the founding fathers of sociology!

Now you see what the real goal of the GOP's war against "critical race theory" was really about - as if there were ever any doubt

He is a dystopian nightmare come true.

I watched a roe v way documentary that spelled out the same conclusion. They were never against abortion, they were for segregation. They just use abortion to get into office.

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I’m looking forward to watching him come unglued during the primaries, hateful little puke.

Nazis burning books. Hypocrite. Big government. Christian in name only. Republican Governor. Racist? The busing migrants to me is racist. For half the money you could build homes for these people, creating jobs for carpenters and small businesses in the process. But crucify me.

“It will make sure no race is scapegoated”

I’m sorry, but it wasn’t Chinese people in the white hoods, burning crosses, and lynching black people. It wasn’t Arabs saying “race mixing is communism” and shouting at Ruby Bridges and holding signs saying “all I want for Christmas is a clean, white school”.

It was white people. This is a simple historical fact. It’s not “critical race theory”. To call it “scapegoating” to discuss an objective fact means that you want to whitewash and sanitize history.

If merely talking about this makes a white child feel “anguish” and “discomfort”, then that’s a failure on the parent, not the teacher (ironic, because all these conservatives want “parental choice” in education, but don’t prepare their kids for education) for simply pointing out facts.

What does it say about your kid that when told that white Americans enslaved black people, they identify with the slaveholders and feel “anguish” instead of identifying with the abolitionists and feeling pride in the good things that white people have done? What are you teaching them at home? That white people are angelic and perfect, so when they hear about segregation, they think “no, not us white people!”

I sure as hell never felt “anguish” when I learned about black gang violence from the late 80s and early 90s. Because that didn’t represent my values. What values are white conservative parents teaching their kids at home that makes it so they feel “anguish” when they go to school and learn “white people did bad things in the past”?

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There are honestly so many instances of groups of white people attacking black people in this country…I present the NY Draft Riots….another horrible event that black people found themselves as the main target in

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Imagine living in Florida . Lmao.

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I remember a story of a middle school teacher who had a class demonstration where he would have students state their opionion on some matter and they would tear it down to be an ass and a contrarian.

Then, one of the kids supposedly said that "Nazis are bad."

Supposedly, the kid got dentention or some shite.

Then everyone clapped.

Don’t forget about the ethnic cleansing down here in Florida before statehood. The 5 civilized tribes marched out to die after living in the southeastern US for thousands of years.

America really hates black ppl huh

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Everyone who looks and thinks like me is OK; throw everyone else in the gulag

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I bet he tries to be a baby Trump in the debates and act belligerent and engage in ridicule. However, I don’t think it will succeed in influencing as many people to vote for him as it did with Trump. Plus I tend to think as you seem to, that he will get stronger push back than trump did from other candidates and he is far more likely to blow his fuse. Should be entertaining.

More POC voting blue in 24

I would totally go to THAT party!

In a move supporting Gov. DeSantis, the Alabama legislature passes bill to prohibit teaching the 1901 Alabama Constitution.

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That's not true. Sometimes he means a slur that starts with an F.