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ooDymasOo t1_jcn65uy wrote

Reply to comment by Wienerwrld in Boeing Argues That 737 MAX Crash Victims Didn't Suffer by DiamondPittcairn

“Boeing has argued that this is speculative, and that damages shouldn’t be awarded for “pre-impact fright and terror.” An expert in human factors and aerospace physiology hired by Boeing countered the above by arguing the following:

“While passengers undoubtedly perceived the flight as scary, humans have a tendency to hold on to hope and not expect the worst. Ultimately, it is impossible to know the subjective experience of each occupant””

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Zacolian t1_jcnmyjy wrote

As a plane crash survivor I can tell you right now this is bullshit. When that thing is going down I was confident I was going to die, even though I’m clearly here today.

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JackKovack t1_jcnx3xx wrote

Shit, what plane crash were you in?

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Elmodogg t1_jcn7587 wrote

If it is impossible to know the subjective experience of each occupant, how can Boeing be so sure that they weren't suffering the worst terror and anguish until the moment of impact?

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tdupbeats t1_jcnhb3v wrote

They don’t… burden of proof though. It’s a shitty thing to argue, but I guess they weighed the cost of paying for the suffering vs. the hit their image would take for making the argument.

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SilasX t1_jcujtwr wrote

It’s a weaker burden in a civil case though, just “more likely than not”. So, if “we really can’t know” then we should assume the average response to flight terror, not the lowest.

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ChrisFromIT t1_jco2g8o wrote

>Ultimately, it is impossible to know the subjective experience of each occupant””

If only they were still here, they would be able to tell us.

O wait, they can't, because they are fucking dead Boeing. Dead because of you, Boeing.

Fuck Boeing.

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JackKovack t1_jcnwsmc wrote

Woo! This is like a ride! Haha haha, this is fun. Oh, we’re going down fast wahoo! We’ll be fine. Says the lawyer.

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Busty_Superhero t1_jco9xgc wrote

This is moral fuckery. Even an optimist, holding on to hope, would be suffering during a flight crash. The tendency to believe you’ll live doesn’t mean you don’t feel absolute terror during a life-or-death situation.

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TheDwarvenGuy t1_jcnbsum wrote

For all we know it could've been like a fun roller coaster ride for them before the end

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CatAvailable3953 t1_jcqju1r wrote

As a retired aircraft accident investigator I find Boeing’s position reprehensible but not surprising. It’s a corporation. Not a person. Money is the only objective.

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Antibotics t1_jcte3f3 wrote

>It’s a corporation. Not a person.

Indeed, except corporations are made of people, so each one of those individuals who contributed to the problem is actually responsible (morally, if not legally).

Hiding behind the corporation is a cop out. I'm sure the individual people at Boeing who made or contributed to the decisions that led to all the suffering and eventual deaths can morally excuse their actions by saying it was the company and not themselves who did it.

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