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Somestooge t1_iuezvw4 wrote

Yep, because giving money to drug addicts always results in them not spending it on drugs.

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TheBigNook t1_iuf07qh wrote

Replying to Somestooge (#355,882)

It’s extremely successful when the fed pays military vets to stay sober so I think you don’t know what you’re talking about lmao a Republican co-authored the legislation to top it off so the legislature isn’t some partisan BS.

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windshieldwaves t1_iuf0bva wrote

>A program covering 1,000 people could cost as much as $286,000, a pittance in California's total operating budget of more than $262 billion.

Sounds pretty much like it won't be that expensive to see if it works. You have to take drug tests. Besides this stuff is from 2021 OP, but I don't think you care

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filmAF t1_iuf0l57 wrote

fox news is not the onion?

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Eirikur_da_Czech t1_iuf3tyb wrote

Damn I’m about to become a recovering addict

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Eirikur_da_Czech t1_iuf3zsu wrote

This reminds me of when London started paying people to bring in rat tails as an attempt to control the rat problem.

The rat problem got worse of course because people started breeding rats for the tails.

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Cheshire_Khajiit t1_iuf5p6z wrote

Well I’m sure this is a completely fair assessment of the proposal. /s

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pokeybill t1_iuf75h6 wrote

"California to incentivize drug addiction recovery"

Better headline than the blunt spin from Faux news - this strategy is used to great effect by the VA to help veterans overcome addiction, there's no reason a state with resources like California cannot pursue the same program.

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Free_Breakfast687 t1_iufu1fm wrote

I'm not sure this would work. People turn to drugs because their life sucks or they're in pain. Most employers already require drug screens, the focus should be removing pain and instability.

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Free_Breakfast687 t1_iufulxw wrote

Replying to Somestooge (#355,882)

Consider cost of living.

What does lodging cost? if the person gains that amount, they might pay for lodging instead.

What does food cost? If the person gains that amount, they might pay for food instead.

How much can you realistically gain from recycling cans and panhandling all day? Not enough to buy food for any lasting quantity of time, you say? Yeah, they're likely going to get high to forget how badly their life sucks.

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GetlostMaps t1_iufuocv wrote

Replying to Free_Breakfast687 (#362,915)

It definitely works with alcohol and with smoking. The science is unequivocal. Also, the sin-tax concept is essentially the same thing in reverse, where you tax something so heavily that there is a significant financial penalty to engage in it. It's also arguable that making dealing drugs more risky and difficult increases the price which decreases use.

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ShotPut4668 t1_iugab6x wrote

It's targeted as fuck. Already says it's for 1000 people who obviously meet a certain criteria. And is another potential tool in a wider arsenal of measures.

But ya, shoot it down immediately guys!

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Free_Breakfast687 t1_iugjqq1 wrote

Replying to GetlostMaps (#363,080)

This honestly sounds like it only disincentivizes poor people, and doesn't address the root cause. But if you can point me to a source where it was studied, I promise to read it with an open mind.

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TheBigNook t1_iuglskg wrote

Replying to Free_Breakfast687 (#370,240)

The federal government pays military vets for passed drug tests and has reported a lot of success over the years. The legislation in California is said to mirror the feds plan. It’s all in the article

I do want to say I also agree with your statement that combating addiction should also deal with managing pain and economic instability.

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GetlostMaps t1_iuglx64 wrote

Replying to Free_Breakfast687 (#369,879)

Yes, but as most people are poor people, this has the greatest impact. Something which is targeted to impact the rich logically doesn't change as many people's behaviour. Smokers for example, are predominantly poor.

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moehoward3 t1_iugm751 wrote

Replying to saintofhate (#369,613)

Do they have to prove that they are addicts somehow?

I mean, dude, I've got this monkey on my back and I was eyeing a new Tesla.

Government paying people to do the right thing goes hand-in-hand with not punishing them for doing the wrong thing.

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Commubot t1_iugnoc9 wrote

Dude. Living in Southern California myself, I'm almost at the point where I'LL pay addicts to stay sober. Fuckin epidemic of crazy down here

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AlternativeFormer559 t1_iuhfhmn wrote

Replying to Free_Breakfast687 (#377,352)

In an ideal world that's how it would have been done. In this one big pharma created various opiates they claimed to be less addictive and incentivised doctors to prescribe them. I hope the support suggested above can help. Opiates are an amazing experience but they ruin lives and kill people, like auto-erotic asphyxiation. I suggest gardening as an alternative to both hobbies.

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DennisHakkie t1_iuhjndp wrote

How about just legalizing all types of Drugs? Portugal did it… It flipping works

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keep_username t1_iuhm56n wrote

Let’s print more dollars to pay for that shit too. Free dollars for everyone!

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Skatcatla t1_iuifnl0 wrote

So they can afford to buy more drugs?

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VanillaCupcake999 t1_iuimoln wrote

Idiotic drug addicts don’t care about money unless it buys their drugs. So the money will go to the dealers back up to the distributor back up to the suppliers. Maybe that’s their plan all along?

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zanderkerbal t1_iuj0p70 wrote

Not the worst idea. One of the reasons it's so hard to quit drugs is that having a shitty life makes you more dependent on drugs to find any happiness but having a drug addiction makes your life go to shit. Very few people are strong enough to break that cycle by sheer force of will alone, stepping in and giving them money to improve their quality of life sure helps.

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TheBigNook t1_iujgnl2 wrote

Replying to SleepyWaffle (#393,084)

The program is more related to the use of hardcore drugs, I get what you’re saying and I understand the flaws of the military however the program is specifically successful with getting people off of alcohol and meth. Of course pain management is a whole different subject. I hope I’m not coming off as pro-military or anti-drug.

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