vacri t1_iwn45x6 wrote
Reply to comment by gregorydgraham in Minor party candidate who called for Daniel Andrews to be hanged preferenced ahead of Labor by Liberals by Jeremy_Gorbachov
>Classical Labour/socialist are the party of the little guy. They believe in freedom of trade, freedom of labour, and freedom of movement
???
That wing of politics is much more for protectionism than freedom of trade. Socialism in particular is big on controlling trade.
Freedom of labour and movement is also a weird one, as they're not really up for freedom of labour and movement if it's the wrong kind of person. And certainly in practice, history's socialist countries have been quite strict on freedom of movement even for the favoured people
gregorydgraham t1_iwn6a3j wrote
Traditional Marxism sees international borders as yet another way to oppress the little guy. Modern labour parties are covered in paragraph 4
vacri t1_iwnlxz7 wrote
When you say "All we have now is", you're implying that in the real world we used to have significant political parties that followed your definitions.
gregorydgraham t1_iwoeiw7 wrote
Fairly certain I explicitly said we used to have parties like that. My apologies if it was only implied.
vacri t1_iwp425n wrote
Sorry, you're right, you did explicitly say that. I stand corrected.
Who were the real-world significant political parties that had abolition of the concept of nations as a core part of their platform?
gregorydgraham t1_iwpb6p0 wrote
Well the Bolshevik’s for a starter.
vacri t1_iwpq4wn wrote
... and what a borderless, free-trade nation they created once they took power!
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