Submitted by SgtThund3r t3_yz2wun in nottheonion
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I do not like wwe style wrestling. I would 100% support this as an Olympic sport. Wrestlers never get the credit of the absolutely insane intensity, complexity, care, and stamina it takes to pit on a show like that!
Hope you have the money to make the IOC look the other way on all the doping.
I am right there with you. I might even like it as they would most likely lose the story lines.
Wait, pro wrestling isn’t real?
Wait, figure skating is scripted?
Pairs gymnastics?
I dont know. Maybe keep em, and that's the judging. You have the defeat storyline, and the victor storyline. Only the wrestlers know which, and they improv it. Youll have dramatic comebacks, close calls, people fake dying.. this sounds amazing.
This is entirely legit. If synchronised swimming is a sport, so is this.
It's choreographed. It's a dance. Basically the same.
Oh so that's what his wife was doing at the capital jan 6th..
Wrestling is an Olympic sport though.
Maybe he should learn that it is the International Olympic Committee first.
Better than synchronized swimming.
There's one major problem though. The Olympics test for steroids.
I'm sick of people who try and make arguments like this to try and justify it as a "sport". It's not a sport. The best comparison for pro wrestlers is Hollywood stunt doubles.
Yeah but if everyone is on steroids they wouldn’t just disqualify everyone would they?
That just means the pro wrestlers who wrestle at the Olympics would have to be clean. That's not a bad thing.
By scoring it similarly to figure skating? On difficulty and coolness of maneuvers, etc.
Might as well label Fox News as news then.
How do you define 'sport'? You have to be physically fit, you have to practice the moves for years. You don't have to like wrestling to recognize this. Wrestling has the show-part, so it isn't "just" sports, but also show, but it doesn't loose the sports-part because of the addition of entertainment. If you look at figure skating, they also wear specific clothing, use music and tell a story in their performance. If you see ice skating couples in a romantic dance performance, you know they are not really in love. There's a lot of "show" aspects in all sports.
One definition of a sport is: "an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment."
How does wrestling fall short of that definition?
>competes against another or others
I'm going to say right here. They aren't there competing to be the best. You'd end up having to treat it like any other 'entertainment' sport. You'd have to strip out most of the moves (because they are too dangerous) and really think of objective criteria to decide what the 'best' suplex is
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Beyond that there is another glaring problem: The Olympics generally focus on sports that people around the world tend to play. Outside of rednecks and teenagers in the US the only other place it is 'big' uses a VERY different set of rules
Exactly what I came here to say
Bernard Suits, philosopher of games and gaming, defined sport as "the voluntary attempt to overcome unnecessary obstacles."
I think the definition we really lack is, "What makes an Olympic sport?"
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I like it, the problem with Jericho's premise is that all of the aesthetic sports can usually be simplified into a few "moves" that get scored. As much fun as it is seeing a perfectly executed dropkick, powerbomb, clothesline, etc, theres waaaaay too much variety for it to get in there.
Also consider this-- it is about as rare to be a WWE champ as it is to be an olympic gold medalist. With a few exceptions the title is given to exceptional performers who are highly competitive to work their way up the rankings, and even the exceptions tend to be highly talented in their own right.
No, he wants to go first with the Community. Then, with their support, he'll go with the Committee. /s
But it's not the same as pro wrestling, which is basically just dancing/acting that looks like wrestling.
..all 3 of them?
A friend who used to do tech for the shows described them as "opera for the common man"
Please correct me... But it's all planned out. Pro wrestling doesn't have competition except for popularity through being famous and infamous. It has choreography like some sports-- but there isn't a single true physical competition between pro wrestlers
Honestly, would make the Olympics 1000% better. Although they're "competing", the escalation of complexity and difficulty of moves would make them jaw-dropping. Kinda like comparing old gymnast videos to current champions when the Soviets started showing off. And we could actually have real Iron Sheiks from Saudi Arabia. Real sumo wrestlers from Japan, and whatever planet Gold Dust came from.
He's perfectly correct.
It would only be "basically the same" if all of the athletes were told beforehand who would win the medals and then they competed in way to ensure that pre-determined outcome took place.
Would the gold medal go to the wrestlers who put on the best match?
Dressage, figure skating, synchronised swimming.
Right but now it gets INCREDIBLY subjective. Not that the aesthetic events aren't subjective at all, but usually its a series of moves that are scored based on execution and landing. You're going to score a guy based on how nuts he can make the crowd go?
Itd be pointless anyways. They already have the subjective scoring system, its the ratings for their programming. Is the IOC going to have a panel for scoring pro wrestling promos?
By the way, I'm a MASSIVE pro wrestling fan, but olympic pro would have to be so watered down it would be boring as hell. How long can the matches be? What moves are legal? Whats the degree of difficulty on the moves? Often the most technically difficult wrestling moves aren't the most impressive. Is every match going to boil down to a 110 lb guy doing a shooting star press?
WWE has stepped up their drug testing in recent decades.
Maybe you're missing how this would work. It's a pairs event. Both of them are competing together. It doesn't matter who "wins" the wrestling - the two of them are the one competitor. Like a synchronised swimming team.
Not sure if it's fair comparison, because you don't do profanity-laden promos in figure skating or gymnastics.
Although that would be entertaining as hell to see.
"You jabronis and your triple-axles have nothing AND THE ROCK MEANS NOTHING on the People's choreography. And now you can take that skate, shine it up real nice, turn it sideways and stick it straight up your candy a– [transmission cuts out]"
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Nor is breakdancing but it's in the olympics
I’m sure they would make some kind of pair routine, where your routine is compared to other pair’s routines. It also really wouldn’t be that different from Floor Exercise, a competition that is in fact at the Olympics, and is basically a combination gymnastic display and dance routine.
Jericho does not wrestle for WWE.
And Jericho isn't suggesting that it is. He is suggesting that it should be looked at and scored in the same way that gymnastics, figure skating, or diving is.
This is the dumbest idea I've ever heard that I completely agree with.
Wrestling isn't wrestling
They are competing to be the best. The difference is the criteria is more how loud the crowd cheers/boos you.
I think a good idea for that concept would be that instead of doing pinfalls and submissions, the contest is put to a time limit and based off a score. Submissions wouldn't end the match, but if you pick one up it would be a huge amount of points and a scored rest period for the team that earns it.
I think this is actually a better argument for excluding Olympic sports where judging determines the outcome. A form of reductio ad absurdum. Subjectivity doesn't belong in sports.
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All Olympic sports that are based on judges scores are incredibly subjective. So no difference from that perspective.
That is a sport all its own.
Vince McMahon of course
Jericho is arguing that it's a performance sport like figure skating or gymnastic routines. Which... yes.. yes pro wrestling is exactly that.
They say opinions can't be wrong and then you see something like this.
You have to be 90 years old.
I don't think that the good name of professional wrestling needs to be sullied with the taint of the Olympics.
Gymnastics routines, synchronized swimming routines, figure skating routines, dressage routines are all choreographed as well. So there's that.
In real life it really doesn’t. It looks fake as fuck outside of the preselected camera filming positions. I’ve had to work a couple WWE shows and I had to resist laughing for how fake it looked and how seriously the crowd took it.
>but usually its a series of moves that are scored based on execution and landing. You're going to score a guy based on how nuts he can make the crowd go?
I'm not even a fan of wrestling but it seems to me that you could just rate the wrestlers on their moves in very much the same way figure skaters are, with some relatively minor adaptations.
I could see wrestlers coming with a choreography, pen it down for the judges then execute it in front of them while the judges note things like air time, form on landings and the credibility of the hits.
Breakdancing is a sport though. Breakdancing has its own competitions since the early 90s late 80s. Judges and all. The 2 big ones are battle of the year and redbull. Thats why its going to be an easy transition in the olympics. Theres already established competitive rules and judging in place.
In pro wrestling, its not about who wins the match but how they get to that conclusion.
That last part is a terribly misguided assumption.
Competition doesn't equal sport. There are dancing competitions of many types, doesn't make those dances sports. They're dances.
But it is. Two people or two teams trying to one up each other using physical and athletic ability. Sounds like you just dont want to accept as such.
Lets get Ultimate in first please
I don't want it in the olympics but it's still more of a sport than pro wrestling
How about duck calling, polygamy and beer shooting?
Two people or teams dancing. Because it's a dance.
No one is arguing that it's a sport, that's just something you're hung up about (though it would be the only sports entertainment). However sports aren't the only competitive events at the Olympics. Professional wrestling would be a performance like rings, floor routines, ribbon routines, sychronized swimming, figure skating, etc.. Also, the Olympics has an event where rich people dance around on their horses, so it isn't like we should take the Olympics super seriously anyway.
If it's a sport to jump over a bar with a stick, then it's a sport when you jump off a ladder and moonsault another person's body through a table.
Haha sure, it would more be like unsynchronized swimming
Its a sport. Its two people or teams COMPETING. Not just dancing, but actual competition. Just admit that you cant accept it cause you dont know jack shit about it.
The Olympics already has an event called "Wrestling" so this would have to be added with a more specific name, like "Performative Wrestling"
I think they should do it, but also add Performative versions of all the other events they already have.
Performative Javelin, for example, and Performative Hockey could be especially entertaining.
Right that's the plan it'd be SUPER boring.
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They are judged by professionals and scored. Pro wresting is a show with script and a "winner". It's acting and NOT a competition. Acting will never be sport and has no place in sport. It's a show, not a competition so there's THAT.
Many things involve competition that aren't sports. Including dancing competitions of all types.
If it were only acting you'd have a point. And if it were an Olympic event it would be judged by Olympic judges based on metrics set by a committee. Acting can also be a competition, mind you. Auditions for example. Other non sporting events can also be competitions; Video games, dancing, music, etc.. You really aren't making any salient arguments here.
Seems like you're just having fun being a hater.
It takes physical, athletic, and mental ability to compete. You dont get to say what it is or isnt when you don't know shit about it.
Yeah, dancing is cool. Not a sport though
You dont know shit.
Anything is a step up from literally shaming their wrestlers on air for going off steroids.
You are ignoring salient arguments here and speaking in hypotheticals. Pro wrestling is a show riddled with illegal anabolic steroids and GH. It is not a sport. It is a spectacle at every level with no legitimate sanctioning sports entity. The winners, belts, titles and everything else is nothing but a show. You fail to accept this and make false equivalencies to make a point littered with logical fallacies. I've been a pro wrestling fan since 1975. I promise I know much more on this subject than you. Hater nope, realist yes. Accept it for what it is and what it is NOT.
I don't know, racing can be quite physical. If sports like sledding and horse riding are Olympic sports, I think car racing should be considered.
and surely that has nothing to do with the 'story' and how charismatic someone is rather than their ability to do a move
It has a lot to do with their ability to do a move, particularly without killing themselves or their opponent. Nobody likes a dangerous worker
Competitive sports are not scripted Mr. Jericho.
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I never thought about this before but your comment is the most sensible.
Wrestling is already soo subjective what would the score cards look like?
" Is the IOC going to have a panel for scoring pro wrestling promos?"
Are you suggesting, sir, that the cream does NOT rise to the top?
Perhaps that the IOC is incapable of scoring an event so great as the cream rising to the top.
That is a weird one.
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Oh, I get it: the two wrestlers are competing together as a team.