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Neoliberalism2024 t1_j9hvyz5 wrote

Reply to comment by actualtext in Parents fume over Governor Hochul’s charter school expansion proposal | amNewYork by barweis

Charter schools absolutely should be able to reject students, that’s the whole point.

Disruptive student ruin education for everyone else.

Richer people move to richer suburbs to go to public schools where most parents are engaged parents and therefore the kids are well behaved. They then get a quality education.

Poorer kids don’t have this choice. They go to school surrounded by violent and disruptive students that make it impossible for them learn (I know this first hand from my childhood).

Charter schools provide a way for kids who actually want to learn to be in an environment where they can learn.

Public schools in nyc have been shit fot 40-50 years, and getting worse, despite spending more money than anywhere else in the USA. At this point it’s irrational to think they’ll get any better.

Poor kids who want to learn deserve an opportunity to learn. They shouldn’t be pawns of rich white people who whine “won’t someone think of the disruptive and violent students”. Send them to your rich schools in the suburbs if you care about them so much.

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actualtext t1_j9hzxja wrote

You're basically arguing we should keep all disruptive and violent students in public school then. Of course that creates a race to the bottom for public schools. It's an untenable situation for them. Now public schools have less funds and an even higher concentration of undesired students. The results will never get better.

I'm speaking as someone who was a product of the city public school system. I, and many others, came out just fine and were able to take advantage of what few resources were available in my public school.

If the issue are disruptive students then those students should be dealt with a taken out of the regular student population to be placed in specialized classes. That can all exist within the same public school system.

Either completely eliminate public schools and force charters to accept all students they are zoned in or don't have charters at all. This two school system is bullshit and a waste of tax payer money.

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Longjumping_Vast_797 t1_j9jwx50 wrote

You're contradicting what you and everyone else really want, which is taking the disruptive students out of class by disparaging charter schools for doing exactly that. Public schools are actively dismantling traditional punitive measures, in favor of restorative justice techniques. Those technique are exascerbating disruptive behavior in the classroom. Parents merely want an environment where kids can learn, which is mpre common in a charter school. Is that too much to ask for?

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johnniewelker t1_j9i91v1 wrote

When did you graduate and from where? The last 10 years have been bunkers. No responsible parent want their child in a title 1 school… it’s tantamount to child abuse at this point

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WickhamAkimbo t1_j9jtot7 wrote

The people causing the problems in public schools are disruptive students that have no consequences, comrade. It's not some unsolvable mystery. The union teachers will all day the same thing.

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