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drpvn t1_jdhmzje wrote

Interesting user name.

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The_Lone_Apple t1_jdhritf wrote

So one of the swastikas was etched in the sidewalk in front of that chandelier building on Queens Boulevard in Forest Hills.

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oreosfly t1_jdht0ag wrote

But but but some ppl in the other thread said the cops probably did it!

/s

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Zohin t1_jdhu6sb wrote

These pro-cop, far right, Trump supporter disguises are getting good!

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Prophet_Muhammad_phd t1_jdhyx9t wrote

> Police say the crook, who has a dark complexion and slim build

A black guy. Just say a black guy. Because we all know if it was a white guy, they wouldn’t use “light complexion,” would they now?

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bherm100 t1_jdi3wcu wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,336,924)

Just about every documented incident has been. There is a tremendous amount of antisemitism in the community.

I mean damn. Best of luck finding a single antisemitic attack in NYC from a trump supporter. I'm unaware of a single one.

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89titanium t1_jdi42mf wrote

Replying to Prophet_Muhammad_phd (#2,336,768)

The description came from victim testimonies, not a few pixels from a night-time surveillance camera. Yet you say those pixels are black, ok. They simply don't use people's race in that publication, idk what to tell you. You made an assumption (that they made special rules just to not offend black people) and made a giant ass of yourself, insisting that they use racialized language. Have another, is this guy black too?: https://qns.com/2023/03/cops-searching-for-suspect-behind-armed-robbery-of-popeyes-restaurant-in-ozone-park/

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bherm100 t1_jdi5k3x wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,337,082)

It is absolutely based on reality. And everyone, including yourself, knows it.

There is a tremendous amount of antisemitism in the black community. I'm not sure where you've been these last two years, but yeah. It's a thing. So much so they guys like kyrie and Kanye (as well as many other black celebrities) openly brag about it.

This story? There were multiple threads on it. Everyone knew the deal before the dude was caught (except for like two people who thought it might be cops)

We need to fight bigotry. Even if the bigots are not who we generally expect.

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bherm100 t1_jdi61vx wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,337,163)

There's nothing to argue about. It's a fact. Find me a single incident in NYC fromThe last two years that is from a trump supporter. Find me two from white people.

You can't. That should tell you something.

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bherm100 t1_jdi77jv wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,337,287)

"I won't do that"

Because you know how foolish you'll look. I'll save you the time and humiliation. You won't find any.

I'm Jewish. My wife is black. What thay has to do with anything I have literally no idea.

Are you trying to claim I'm racist for knowing NYC crime stats, For reading newspaper articles? Oh piss off.

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TheBravadoBoy t1_jdi7dof wrote

Replying to bherm100 (#2,337,161)

I repeated your exact words back to you and you’re acting like I said something different.

So by “reports” you mean the two or three other articles than have been posted to this subreddit this year? That’s what you mean by “every documented incident?”

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bherm100 t1_jdi7mfk wrote

Replying to TheBravadoBoy (#2,337,352)

I have zero idea what you are talking about. "Reports" as in documented incidents. Either via. Court case convictions, or articles about them.

You might get your info from Reddit. I don't.

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Prophet_Muhammad_phd t1_jdi7txl wrote

Replying to YoungMarshmellow (#2,337,242)

Oh please, it’s not about being “woke” in the opposite direction. It’s about being an adult. Editors and publications intentionally avoid addressing certain issues outright because of race.

A white kid shoots up a school and we need to address national gun control. Black people have been killing each other with guns in droves for the past 23 years and not a peep about gun violence.

Blacks actively targeted and killed asians during the pandemic, not a peep again. Had it been a white issue, they’d be equating modern violence to what Asians experienced in the 19th century.

There is a clear double standard.

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sendphotopls t1_jdibtow wrote

Replying to Prophet_Muhammad_phd (#2,336,411)

I mean you're just wrong. "Dark complexion" can include Dominicans, Colombians, Hondurans, etc. and none of those people would identify as black. The most accurate verbiage to use in a case like this is a description of complexion instead of an assumption of race.

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TheBravadoBoy t1_jdid0d9 wrote

Replying to bherm100 (#2,337,388)

Let me ignore for a moment that you’re pretending that you aren’t a more chronic reddit user than myself…

Not even the report by Dov Hikind’s org (who has had a demonstrated agenda pushing for racial profiling measures) dares to claim that almost all antisemitic attacks are by black people.

So where are reading all of these convictions where every single one is a black person?

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bherm100 t1_jdidili wrote

Replying to TheBravadoBoy (#2,337,956)

Oh I'm not pretending. I'm answering your claim. I dont get my news from Reddit. Perhaps you do. As that accusation was yours.

Most hate crimes do not result in convictions. Hope this answers your disingenuous question.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thecity.nyc/2022/3/6/22964719/hate-crime-nyc-dropped-before-conviction%3f_amp=true

Nyc also does not really track convictions by race. So you have to actually look the cases up. If you do, you'll find that it's mostly black men. Almost every one I've come across these last two years. There's been a big increase lately.

As a matter of fact I dare you to find single NYC hate crime on jews perpetuated by a white trump supporter. Best of luck.

Edit: can't find a single case? Gee. Totally unexpected. Apology accepted.

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TheBravadoBoy t1_jdifio7 wrote

Replying to bherm100 (#2,338,010)

You are the one being disingenuous. In the comment I initially replied to, you said every documented incident, not every conviction.

I have provided a report by an org that shares your point of view that still demonstrates your comment is full of shit.

The point you’re now harping on, so that you can back track, that the rare cases where they actually get convicted they are usually black, doesn’t really mean anything.

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bherm100 t1_jdiftxo wrote

Replying to TheBravadoBoy (#2,338,225)

Still waiting for ONE case. Please present this information. That org does not share my point of view. No idea why you think it does. Nor does it claim my stance is "full of shit". It claims the vast majority of hate crimes are committed by black men. Barely any (3 percent) by white people. And my claim was never "every single one". It was " those reported on in the last two years"

This is called "muddying the waters". No one thinks EVERY hate crimes is from black men.

I'm asking you for something reallllllly simple to present. Please dont respond with any more nonsense untill you present a single case.

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Everyoneeatshere t1_jdigbmb wrote

Juicy Smolier. Some of y’all really think we have maga racist openly walking around. Nope the nyc racist is another character

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Prophet_Muhammad_phd t1_jdih6h1 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,338,372)

So you agree in principle, you’re just making assumptions about me because I said something honest and open and it made you feel uncomfortable with how you feel about the subject matter.

Stop with the bullshit and be honest with yourself. It’s much healthier.

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bherm100 t1_jdihn1n wrote

Replying to TheBravadoBoy (#2,338,438)

Er...what mask. I'm Jewish. My wife is black. My kids are (obviously) mixed.

Are you trying to pretend I'm a racist? LOL.

Amazing. You don't like being proven wrong. I get it. Let's not start with this bullshit, ok?

I'm the one fighting racism. You're the one sticking up for it.

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JuniperusRain t1_jdikf0w wrote

Replying to Prophet_Muhammad_phd (#2,338,029)

There are plenty of races that include darker complexions that your average American wouldn't consider black even just looking at them (e.g., Indians). There's more to looking black than just skin tone, there's facial features, hair type, etc

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Prophet_Muhammad_phd t1_jdiky6x wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,338,717)

So you agree with the principle in this thread but dislike that I was honest about how all Americans use radicalized language, which you admitted to doing as well, proving my point.

But decided to bring up a point I made in another thread?

I think you’re dishonest with yourself about how you feel, especially based off what you’ve said in this thread. Now address this comment you made days ago in a completely unrelated thread

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/10k4cay/gavin_newsom_after_monterey_park_shooting_second/j5pqbig/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3

What an idiot.

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tondracek t1_jdioc6q wrote

Replying to Prophet_Muhammad_phd (#2,337,407)

Imagine looking at a pile of dead kids every few and assuming the only reason people want to reform the system is because the shooter was white.

I’m personally not flexible enough to get my own head that far up my own ass. Maybe you could throw out a referral to your gym or yogi for those of us looking for a good stretch?

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SolitaryMarmot t1_jdirodm wrote

Replying to Prophet_Muhammad_phd (#2,336,411)

They absolutely do though.

"Police described the suspect as a male with a light complexion and medium build. He was last seen wearing a brown hat, black mask, multicolored jacket, and black plants."

That was what they released about the vandal who slashed all the tires at the 112th precint last month.

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iciclepenis t1_jdixdav wrote

For those concerned about this dude's dark complexion, what change are you wanting? To prevent these crimes? To punish the criminal? To punish black people? What's the goal?

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SolitaryMarmot t1_jdj0tve wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,340,519)

I'm just telling you what the police bulletins to the press and public say.

OP said they wouldn't use "light complexion" but they absolutely do.

The person caught in the tire slashing incident was white though.

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CivilInspector4 t1_jdj3rna wrote

Replying to iciclepenis (#2,340,236)

It's one dude who clearly does not give a shit about Jews, black people, hate crimes etc... But is arguing about subjective terminology used to describe the suspect. You can see from his other posts on Reddit he is a deranged Trumper who is directly biased/racist towards black people as well

Personally I think people like that are mentally unhinged and project a lot of crazy ideas they have on everyone else (ie "you are all obsessed with race not me!!"), so it's best to ignore or block them

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Elizasol t1_jdj61ft wrote

Replying to iciclepenis (#2,340,236)

Some hate black people, some want an honest conversation

As a latin immigrant who grew up in this city, I got to see things as an outsider. And the most openly racist people I have known or been friends with were all black. Not like 'oh, here's some ignorant thoughts I have' kind of racists(although they were that too), but like standing in the middle of a street or surrounded by people and hurling racial slurs at people and not caring at all

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atticusmars_ t1_jdjbnh0 wrote

Replying to Jonny_Blaze_ (#2,341,596)

Yeah I’m of the mind that the antisemitic black guys who likely feed into the antisemitic rhetoric that includes the attacking left,globalism, and Whatever other boogeyman are are infact, voting for trump.

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NoobNup t1_jdjguth wrote

Replying to sendphotopls (#2,337,814)

there are black dominican, colombians, and hondurians. Also if it was a brown hispanic, most of the time they would say hispanic, or even go into specific race, like mexican, or hondurian. It's only for black americans that they say "teens", with no description at all

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bherm100 t1_jdjhz30 wrote

Replying to Jonny_Blaze_ (#2,342,097)

I'm not right wing. I fucking hate Donald Trump. I'm quite far left and extremely anti racist. That kind of comes with being in an interracial marriage and having black kids.

But no. This was not done by a trump supporter. I wish it were. It would make it easier to not have to confront a serious fucking issue. But ignoring shit like this is not a good idea.

Edit. Someone above asked for a source for what I'm. Talking about in regards to the race aspect. https://www.jns.org/other-minorities-committing-vast-majority-of-antisemitic-assaults-in-nyc/

Again: I fucking hate this shit. But it's an actual problem.

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Rottimer t1_jdjmcey wrote

Replying to NoobNup (#2,342,243)

>most of the time they would say hispanic, or even go into specific race, like mexican, or hondurian

No, they wouldn't, because they only have a grainy picture to go off of. And since when is Mexican or Honduran a race?

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Disco_Dreamz t1_jdk9zcb wrote

Replying to Prophet_Muhammad_phd (#2,336,411)

Probably because it isn’t certain from the images that he’s black ya dum dum.

If the guy is actually Indian or Latino why would they want the public looking out for a black guy?

Very stupid comment. Don’t become a cop dude.

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Elizasol t1_jdl1r4n wrote

Replying to iciclepenis (#2,348,211)

.. This is nyc, if you live here long enough you will see hate crimes being committed. I've seen guys use racial slurs against asian or hispanic store clerks or vendors and then destroy some things in their store or display or physically threaten them. You can guess what they all had in common

This doesn't even take into account all the terrible racist things that happen in nyc schools I've seen growing up.

No one is asking you to do anything, it's not like you have the power to. But don't pretend that the conversation you guys are having on racism in this country is honest, it's not. One side hates black people and the other side refuses to acknowledge that black people are probably the most racist group of people in the country.

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iciclepenis t1_jdm1fg0 wrote

Replying to Elizasol (#2,348,308)

An honest conversation I would have about people being violent, destructive, and racist is how to implement positive change. I don't personally believe black people are the most concerning group in NYC or the US. Whether they are or are not I'd push to improve education, anti-racist policies, and encourage diversity and inclusion. These would benefit any person, group, or community.

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StrawberryMilkshaek t1_jdm1p1i wrote

Replying to bherm100 (#2,342,385)

…Your source is saying that minorities can in fact be racist. This isn’t a new conversation or shocking, nor does it dispute what anyone was discussing. Him being black doesn’t remove the fact that most overt racists tend to gravitate towards a certain worldview that reflects in their politics.

Also, I’m gonna say this with the best of intentions, dont bring your kids into a conversation about race. As a biracial person, I’m telling you that if I found out my white parent was using me and my other parent to act as an authority on discussions of race it would make me uncomfortable. It’s weird and almost as bad as “I have a black friend.” I promise you. You can join into these conversations if you’re sensitive, capable of introspection, and willing to listen/learn, you don’t need to add the qualifier of your children.

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Pbpopcorn t1_jdm3ae5 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,337,786)

BLM is such a joke. If anything it made people more racist by making them constantly think about it. To get rid of a racist society we need to look at people beyond their race. BLM itself is a corrupt organization just out for money and doesn’t actually help POC. I’m a POC myself btw. I thought the george floyd protests were dumb at the time and still do -they didn’t solve anything at a systemic level and were hypocritical at the time when we were supposed to stay home during the pandemic

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bherm100 t1_jdm3u52 wrote

Replying to StrawberryMilkshaek (#2,351,424)

That's not what it says. That's not even close to what it says. It says that 3 percent of hate crimes against jews are committed by white people in NYC. So when this sort of thing happens, trying to paint it as white trump supporters is statistically unlikely.

Almost 70 percent are initiated by black people. That's a real actual problem. Hence why everyone knew how this case would go. It was the statistically likely option.

No one is using anyone. But let's not claim someone is a right wing racist for pointing out the obvious facts here. For complaining about racism. (My wife and kids enjoy talking about race, actually. Especially this sort of thing, as they've been victimized by black racism. But thanks for the advice without knowing anything)

But yeah, unfortunately qualifications are needed when someone tries to paint you as a right wing racist, who doesn't like black people, LOL. Come with that silly shit and I'll point out the obvious. Perhaps you misunderstood me? I was pointing out that the reason I'm so anti racist....is because I have to be for my family's sake . I didn't think it would be difficult, especially for someone like you, to understand.

Youre personal experience is your experience. No one else's. And your promises dont mean much, especially in light of the accusations presented.

I'm standing against racism by calling it out. Not sure what y'all are doing.

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StrawberryMilkshaek t1_jdmh6tk wrote

Replying to bherm100 (#2,351,630)

Who here painted you as a racist, bud? Are they in the room with us? Seems like a victim complex to me.

Trump supporters… can be black. The whole OP is about a black man committing a hate crime and vandalizing shit. This seems to be coming from your own feelings towards whiteness and the assumptions that follow.

I’m glad your wife and kids enjoy talking about race, me too. I’m not sure any black or biracial person enjoys being used by a white partner or family member as a way to bolster their own opinion with strangers on the internet. Genuinely, ask your wife if she wants to be used for karma on reddit.

You’re popping into a thread and getting mad at the people pointing out that there are black Trump supporters and that there’s no purpose in bringing up Trump unless one is purposefully being inflammatory. I don’t see you speaking out against any of the other genuine racists that have popped into this thread. That’s so wild to me, saying you’re anti-racist, propping your family up as proof you care (which lmao I’m biracial ‘mY fAmIlY iS bLaCk’ literally means nothing to me and ignoring the fact that caring doesn’t stop the potential for racism, but that would mean being capable of any introspection which you seem to lack), and then doing nothing in a sea of racists except getting mad that people point out black Trump supporters exist. Lmao you’re a joke.

But damn, white saviour to the rescue!!! What will us poor poc do without you, Mr. Black Family Man?

Edit: You bring up your family on a regular basis for reddit arguments based off your comment history. Oof, bud. They’re more than props, and it takes more than having a couple of children to be anti-racist. No one in the thread you originally replied to was denying black people commit hate crimes. They were criticizing the original comment that brought up Trump and rightfully brought up there are still black Trump supporters. No one brought up white Trump supporters or denied the fact that a black man committed a crime. That all came from you, and you using your family to justify the tirade is weird as hell. I’d say it’s racist but you definitely seem like the type to immediately claim I’m calling you a racist. Psych “especially in light of the accusations presented” lmaoooo Anti-racist can’t handle being told that their actions can be interpreted as racist. Sounds about right.

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Edwunclerthe3rd t1_jdmsxu1 wrote

There were swastikas outside queens college this week, was it this douche?

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Prophet_Muhammad_phd t1_jdmzl0l wrote

Replying to Substantial_Bend_580 (#2,355,152)

Just as most white Americans don’t commit hate crimes. Yet, let’s not pretend the narratives don’t say otherwise.

It would make sense if both blacks and whites were held to the same standard. I have seen black people do horrible things to Asian people. Most if bot all of the hate crimes committed against Asian Americans during the pandemic were done by blacks or Hispanics.

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Prophet_Muhammad_phd t1_jdn0cn0 wrote

Replying to Substantial_Bend_580 (#2,355,252)

Just because they’re a smaller percentage doesn’t mean they can’t commit an equal amount or more hate crimes…

Do you understand how statistics work?

>it simple wouldnt make sense to use black criminals (racists) as the face of hate crime in America

And there it is lol you said the quiet part out loud haha holy fuck.

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Substantial_Bend_580 t1_jdn0t51 wrote

Replying to Prophet_Muhammad_phd (#2,355,303)

But they don’t. There are literally sundown towns & KKK in nearly every state. Again, why would you expect hate crimes don’t by blacks to be prevalent in the media like the crimes done by whites? Most hate crimes are done by whites so idk why you’d equate not many black offenders in the media as the media ignoring it

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Prophet_Muhammad_phd t1_jdn32i9 wrote

Replying to Substantial_Bend_580 (#2,355,356)

And there are black and Hispanic people in every state that attack one another over racial differences, attack themselves (Dominicans vs PR’s for instance), attack other races (Asians predominantly), etc.

In 2021, total hate crimes committed amounted to 8673 reported cases. 56.1% (4865.55) were white offenders. 21.3% (1847.34) were black offenders.

Those white offenders accounted for .002% of the 2021 white population. The black offenders accounted for .005% of the black population. Statistically, you are more likely to have a hate crime committed against you than a white person.

Black people per population commit more hate crimes than whites. Shocker…

Source

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Prophet_Muhammad_phd t1_jdn6c7x wrote

Replying to Substantial_Bend_580 (#2,355,822)

Yes, because the likelihood that a white person commits a hate crime is less than a black person. Statistics matter.

It’s like you don’t understand statistics. In this case, it’s the opposite. The greater the representation of race per hate crime = more exposure. More black people are committing hate crimes than whites via population. More offenders do not equal more exposure.

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